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Actually in 1900 St. Joseph reached it's maximum size - almost 103,000 
residents which was a big number then (though the number has been 
questioned as that was a doubling of the 1890 population). It's never 
been that size again. By 1910, it was a little over 77,000.  It pretty 
much has settled into the mid 70,000s since then.

Before the turn of the 20th Century, St. Joseph was a very wealthy town 
with a boulevard system, had one of the first electric streetcar 
systems, and a planned park system. St. Joe was still referred to in 
popular nationwide media into the 1940s, so I would think it was well 
known in the Midwest at the time of the image.

Now how it got to Davenport is another story.

Bill Hirt

On 11/9/2020 6:56 PM, Mike Martin via groups.io wrote:
>
> I'm guessing an incorrect caption on the back of the photograph.  Was 
> St. Joseph (Missouri?) a big enough town or passenger destination to 
> have even been mentioned?  If there was a Rock Island train that went 
> from St. Joseph, MO to Davenport it would make sense.  Milwaukee Road 
> ran thru Davenport as well... they could have had a train to St. 
> Joseph, MO but Kansas City would make better sense.  I think St. 
> Joseph started out as an important western gateway on the Missouri 
> River and then Omaha and Kansas City overtook it greatly.  Maybe in 
> 1900 St. Joseph was still an important destination?  I've never been 
> there and the only reason I can even think to go there today would be 
> to see #5614 on display!!!
>
> I have no idea about the locomotives... you get back that far and they 
> are just too generic looking to my eyes... all teakettles look the 
> same in other words!  I'm going to say that if one can identify the 
> station on the left that is going to be the key.  There is a water 
> crane  there so it must be an important stop that would take some time 
> to fill the tender and maybe a lunchroom for the passengers so it's a 
> bigger town or division point.  If you can imagine the Milwaukee Road 
> station on the riverfront today in Davenport the station should be on 
> the right side of the train if we are looking south which would be the 
> direction an arriving train from St. Joseph, MO would arrive.
>
> Just some random thoughts to confuse you Louis!!
>
> Mike Martin / Mahomet, IL
> _,_


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    <p>Actually in 1900 St. Joseph reached it's maximum size - almost
      103,000 residents which was a big number then (though the number
      has been questioned as that was a doubling of the 1890
      population). It's never been that size again. By 1910, it was a
      little over 77,000.  It pretty much has settled into the mid
      70,000s since then.<br>
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    <p>Before the turn of the 20th Century, St. Joseph was a very
      wealthy town with a boulevard system, had one of the first
      electric streetcar systems, and a planned park system. St. Joe was
      still referred to in popular nationwide media into the 1940s, so I
      would think it was well known in the Midwest at the time of the
      image.</p>
    <p>Now how it got to Davenport is another story.</p>
    <p>Bill Hirt<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/9/2020 6:56 PM, Mike Martin via
      groups.io wrote:<br>
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          I'm guessing an incorrect caption on the back of the
          photograph.  Was St. Joseph (Missouri?) a big enough town or
          passenger destination to have even been mentioned?  If there
          was a Rock Island train that went from St. Joseph, MO to
          Davenport it would make sense.  Milwaukee Road ran thru
          Davenport as well... they could have had a train to St.
          Joseph, MO but Kansas City would make better sense.  I think
          St. Joseph started out as an important western gateway on the
          Missouri River and then Omaha and Kansas City overtook it
          greatly.  Maybe in 1900 St. Joseph was still an important
          destination?  I've never been there and the only reason I can
          even think to go there today would be to see #5614 on
          display!!!</div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br>
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        <div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">I
          have no idea about the locomotives... you get back that far
          and they are just too generic looking to my eyes... all
          teakettles look the same in other words!  I'm going to say
          that if one can identify the station on the left that is going
          to be the key.  There is a water crane  there so it must be an
          important stop that would take some time to fill the tender
          and maybe a lunchroom for the passengers so it's a bigger town
          or division point.  If you can imagine the Milwaukee Road
          station on the riverfront today in Davenport the station
          should be on the right side of the train if we are looking
          south which would be the direction an arriving train from St.
          Joseph, MO would arrive.</div>
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        </div>
        <div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;">Just
          some random thoughts to confuse you Louis!!</div>
        <div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;color:black;"><br>
        </div>
        <div width="1" style="color:white;clear:both">Mike Martin /
          Mahomet, IL<br>
          _,_</div>
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