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contact CBQ+owner@groups.io Delivered-To: mailing list CBQ@groups.io Reply-To: CBQ@groups.io X-Gm-Message-State: n7doncmBy9osnCfICqfNRfSnx703214AA= Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_SJ0PR07MB767983896364C42BAFE5F930D4100SJ0PR07MB7679namp_" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io; q=dns/txt; s=20140610; t=1604329530; bh=iQk7upi9D9ZXBdHqdpt0POR62Kx+5pFH7EZo9g/+MEo=; h=Content-Type:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To; b=jpv6NjCbbZ9Sg8TUL5/ZTBRnzyr6D6ExU3Vh85APBlqPGmkQ7avjMC2jXocAYk4hYbC 2ULq0m458v/3OipnBrPYpPSRtiRpyG65Uq9f4THzWAgW4jqniAf/RZg1ekpEeRja3WPGx eE1nZ7oGUdl03Im9a5riDjyodIG3Vu9AsCQ= --_000_SJ0PR07MB767983896364C42BAFE5F930D4100SJ0PR07MB7679namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought the Pacific Traction PZ when it first came out. Was very slow and = noisy. No interior and no windows. I contracted Pacific Traction several ti= mes about fixing it and as I remember, I was sent a new set of gears, but t= hat did not help much. I eventually bought a power truck from PFM and installed it on the front o= f the PZ. That help a lot but it was still not my favorite. When Concor brought out the PZ, I bought it and sold my Pacific Traction P= Z. Since there have been several versions of the PZ in recent years, doing an= other one is a waste of time, IMO. I would really like to see Kato do the E5 but another option is the Mark T= wain Zephyr. That I think would be a great seller, perhaps even more than t= he E5. But knowing how long it takes to bring models to market, even if they deci= de to do one or the other on Jan 1st, I think it would be at least 18 month= s or more before we see it. RAY Bedard San Jose CA ________________________________ From: CBQ@groups.io on behalf of Mike Martin via groups.io= Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 4:02 PM To: cbq@groups.io Subject: [CBQ] Kato poll... In the past Kumata made Pioneer Zephyrs for both Pacific Traction and Nick= el Plate Products. The Pacific version is the version that has the upper w= indows squished so it looks a bit like "The Brow" from the old Dick Tracy c= omic books! I'd like to fix one of these just for fun someday. I don't th= ink there is much of a difference between that version and the NPP version = otherwise. NPP offered the extra #500 with their set. Challenger originally offered the PZ twice I think in the as built version= as well as the modernized headlight version. Later Challenger did reruns = on their Zephyrs with I believe interiors and possibly lights. I'm guessin= g they again offered both versions. Hallmark, Oriental, Overland, Eagle Imports, and Challenger all offered va= rious versions of E5 As and Bs. Mostly the versions are 1940s with truck s= kirts and then a later version without skirts. Eagle offered theirs with t= he Sam Houston Zephyr set and it might have also been sold separately. Cha= llenger did two runs with the original run being sold in separate boxes and= I believe the later run sold as an A/B set in one box. Overland did at le= ast two separate runs as well with one of them being early (possibly late '= 80s). Unless Kato is able to replicate the stainless steel finish similar to wha= t Walthers and Broadway Limited are capable of I don't know if I'd be inter= ested in either the E5 or the Pioneer Zephyr set from them. I don't think = the demand would be there for a Pioneer Zephyr set either unless people are= going to trade up from a Con-Cor set or Nickel Plate Products set. The se= ts from Challenger are fairly available on the second hand market and often= for only about $600 or so which is less than new. If I were Kato or anoth= er manufacture I'd be looking at the Mark Twain Zephyr set with the idea th= at you might be able to make the Twin Cities Zephyr set out of the same pow= er car tooling and possibly the passenger car tooling. The cost of a Kato Pioneer Zephyr is also probably going to be close to th= e cost of a used Challenger Imports set. I don't see it costing for less t= han $600. If they could get the E5s priced at $600 for an A/B set they cou= ld have a winner on their hands. Again, if they don't get the finish corre= ct it's a non-starter for me. I don't have a horse in the race and already have a Challenger PZ set and = a couple of the NPP sets. I've also got a few E5s... the Hallmark set, an = A-B-A set of the Orientals riding on Athearn / PPW drives, and the early ru= n of the skirted E5s from Challenger. 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I bought the Pacific Traction PZ when it first came out. Was very slow and= noisy. No interior and no windows. I contracted Pacific Traction several t= imes about fixing it and as I remember, I was sent a new set of gears, but = that did not help much. 

I eventually bought a power truck from PFM and installed it on the front o= f the PZ. That help a lot but it was still not my favorite. 

When Concor brought out the PZ, I bought it and sold my Pacific Traction P= Z.

Since there have been several versions of the PZ in recent years, doing an= other one is a waste of time, IMO.

I would really like to see Kato do the E5 but another option is the Mark T= wain Zephyr. That I think would be a great seller, perhaps even more than t= he E5.

But knowing how long it takes to bring models to market, even if they deci= de to do one or the other on Jan 1st, I think it would be at least 18 month= s or more before we see it.

RAY Bedard
San Jose CA
From: CBQ@groups.io <CB= Q@groups.io> on behalf of Mike Martin via groups.io <atsf3460=3Daol.c= om@groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2020 4:02 PM
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Subject: [CBQ] Kato poll...
 
In the past Kumata made Pioneer Zephyrs for both Pacific Traction and Nick= el Plate Products.  The Pacific version is the version that has the up= per windows squished so it looks a bit like "The Brow" from the o= ld Dick Tracy comic books!  I'd like to fix one of these just for fun someday.  I don't think there is much of a dif= ference between that version and the NPP version otherwise.  NPP offer= ed the extra #500 with their set.

Challenger originally offered the PZ twice I think in the as built ve= rsion as well as the modernized headlight version.  Later Challenger d= id reruns on their Zephyrs with I believe interiors and possibly lights.&nb= sp; I'm guessing they again offered both versions.

Hallmark, Oriental, Overland, Eagle Imports, and Challenger all offer= ed various versions of E5 As and Bs.  Mostly the versions are 1940s wi= th truck skirts and then a later version without skirts.  Eagle offere= d theirs with the Sam Houston Zephyr set and it might have also been sold separately.  Challenger did two runs wi= th the original run being sold in separate boxes and I believe the later ru= n sold as an A/B set in one box.  Overland did at least two separate r= uns as well with one of them being early (possibly late '80s).

Unless Kato is able to replicate the stainless steel finish similar t= o what Walthers and Broadway Limited are capable of I don't know if I'd be = interested in either the E5 or the Pioneer Zephyr set from them.  I do= n't think the demand would be there for a Pioneer Zephyr set either unless people are going to trade up from a Co= n-Cor set or Nickel Plate Products set.  The sets from Challenger are = fairly available on the second hand market and often for only about $600 or= so which is less than new.  If I were Kato or another manufacture I'd be looking at the Mark Twain Zephyr set w= ith the idea that you might be able to make the Twin Cities Zephyr set out = of the same power car tooling and possibly the passenger car tooling.

The cost of a Kato Pioneer Zephyr is also probably going to be close = to the cost of a used Challenger Imports set.  I don't see it costing = for less than $600.  If they could get the E5s priced at $600 for an A= /B set they could have a winner on their hands.  Again, if they don't get the finish correct it's a non-starter for me.&nb= sp; 

I don't have a horse in the race and already have a Challenger PZ set= and a couple of the NPP sets.  I've also got a few E5s... the Hallmar= k set, an A-B-A set of the Orientals riding on Athearn / PPW drives, and th= e early run of the skirted E5s from Challenger.  

Mike Martin 
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