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Ricky ________________________________ From: CBQ@groups.io on behalf of William Hirt Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 9:13 AM To: CBQ@groups.io Subject: Re: [CBQ] P2K and Athearn GP7s Rick, The herald is bigger on the Genesis. Looking at some pictures of GP7s in b= ooks and in the Members Only Flickr area, it looks to me like the width of = the herald was the width of the cub window opening which is what the Genesi= s model has. Here are two photos of 250 in the Members only photo area: or this one: Bill Hirt On 11/3/2020 5:48 AM, Rick Keil wrote: Bill, The Burlington Route logo under the cab looks larger on the Genesis. Is th= at true or camera angle? Ricky Keil Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: CBQ@groups.io on behalf of William Hirt Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 7:49:58 PM To: CBQ@groups.io Subject: Re: [CBQ] P2K and Athearn GP7s The Athearn Genesis model for GP7 250 has a steam generator. I have all 3 = numbers and there are small detail/paint differences between the 3 (just li= ke the earlier Chinese Red versions they did). I would suspect this is due = to the photos they worked off of. The Protos are much heavier, so I suspect they are better pullers. I've corresponded privately with Eric Mumper and Lenny Ohrnell of this lis= t on what I found. The main issue on the Geneiss units is the Tsunami 2 decoder settings. The= good thing is that it is a full blown Tsunami 2, not a stripped down OEM v= ersion. The bad thing is Athearn claims in the instructions that the decode= r settings fit your locomotive. That is not the case. The Mars light was lit on both ends no matter what direction you selected.= I found each unit had function FX5 which is assigned to F5 was using a Wes= tern-Cullen rotary beacon as the light type. I changed it to Mars and that = fixed it. The assigned horn was wrong. The programmed setting was a Leslie R3M. Two = are Leslie A200 and one (Q 250) is a Leslie A125/A200 combo. The Prime Mover sound setting was inconsistent. One Q unit had a dual 567,= and two of the Q units had 567 - no transition. I changed them all to just= a plain 567. The differences mean you need to read in the entire decoder definition int= o a program like Decoder Pro to see what the actual current settings are on= the factory unit. I also bought a Wabash unit. It had it's own set of weird sound settings (= like a 567 Turbo for the Prime Mover). Two of the units run smooth and two = jackrabbit. I'll need to speed curve all of them. I've attached a photo of a new Genesis unit with the recent Proto. I've at= tached a image of Athearn Genesis unit 250. The Genesis is on the left and = the Proto is on the right. I also plan to run them separately so I don't re= ally see any issues after fixing these sound/speed curve issues. They are b= oth very nice sets of locomotives. As Eric wrote me, they are way better th= an the old Athearn "GP9" Chinese Red unit with the grey cab! Bill Hirt -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#60745): https://groups.io/g/CBQ/message/60745 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/77994874/703214 Group Owner: CBQ+owner@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/CBQ/leave/1544929/691670059/xyzzy [archiv= es@nauer.org] -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- --_000_CH2PR20MB3143B9A03AD6D1503592B4FFB4110CH2PR20MB3143namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bill,

Thanks for confirming, seems I can't trust my eyes sometimes!

Ricky


From: CBQ@groups.io <CB= Q@groups.io> on behalf of William Hirt <whirt@fastmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 9:13 AM
To: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io>
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Rick,

The herald is bigger on the Genesis. Looking at some pictures of GP7s i= n books and in the Members Only Flickr area, it looks to me like the width = of the herald was the width of the cub window opening which is what the Gen= esis model has.

Here are two photos of 250 in the Members only photo area:

<https://www.= flickr.com/photos/139870482@N07/27444563286/in/album-72157664722337692/>=

or this one:

<https://www.= flickr.com/photos/139870482@N07/49843417783/in/album-72157664722337692/>=

Bill Hirt


On 11/3/2020 5:48 AM, Rick Keil wrote:
Bill,

The Burlington Route logo under the cab looks= larger on the Genesis. Is that true or camera angle?

Ricky Keil

Get Outlook for iOS
From: CBQ@= groups.io <CBQ= @groups.io> on behalf of William Hirt &l= t;whirt@fastmail.com>
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 7:49:58 PM
To: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ= @groups.io>
Subject: Re: [CBQ] P2K and Athearn GP7s
 

The Athearn Genesis model for GP7 250 has a steam generator. I have all= 3 numbers and there are small detail/paint differences between the 3 (just= like the earlier Chinese Red versions they did). I would suspect this is d= ue to the photos they worked off of.

The Protos are much heavier, so I suspect they are better pullers.

I've corresponded privately with Eric Mumper and Lenny Ohrnell of this = list on what I found.

The main issue on the Geneiss units is the Tsunami 2 decoder settings. = The good thing is that it is a full blown Tsunami 2, not a stripped down OE= M version. The bad thing is Athearn claims in the instructions that the dec= oder settings fit your locomotive. That is not the case.

The Mars light was lit on both ends no matter what direction you select= ed. I found each unit had function FX5 which is assigned to F5 was using a = Western-Cullen rotary beacon as the light type. I changed it to Mars and th= at fixed it.

The assigned horn was wrong. The programmed setting was a Leslie R3M. T= wo are Leslie A200 and one (Q 250) is a Leslie A125/A200 combo.

The Prime Mover sound setting was inconsistent. One Q unit had a dual 5= 67, and two of the Q units had 567 - no transition. I changed them all to j= ust a plain 567.

The differences mean you need to read in the entire decoder definition = into a program like Decoder Pro to see what the actual current settings are= on the factory unit.

I also bought a Wabash unit. It had it's own set of weird sound setting= s (like a 567 Turbo for the Prime Mover). Two of the units run smooth and t= wo jackrabbit. I'll need to speed curve all of them.

I've attached a photo of a new Genesis unit with the recent Proto. I've= attached a image of Athearn Genesis unit 250. The Genesis is on the left a= nd the Proto is on the right. I also plan to run them separately so I don't= really see any issues after fixing these sound/speed curve issues. They are both very nice sets of locomotiv= es. As Eric wrote me, they are way better than the old Athearn "GP9&qu= ot; Chinese Red unit with the grey cab!

Bill Hirt


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