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contact CBQ+owner@groups.io Delivered-To: mailing list CBQ@groups.io Reply-To: CBQ@groups.io X-Gm-Message-State: AAS4EfWjfK33FUIm51kseUwtx703214AA= Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_CH2PR20MB314376433E99DE90D9E8533EB4110CH2PR20MB3143namp_" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io; q=dns/txt; s=20140610; t=1604404141; bh=7a6yWjRR7AIrl+iz3SF8pIrA41Y5+HAHr6wsz0UkVwk=; h=Content-Type:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To; b=lKe80N7OffDsT2joFVw+vnKcrR57L1DRXRmPp5sYCIOxTL5yQq5aiyLJiXV6leQ8zZ4 AQkYgsbXG35rtU+zEAw1jdIHbTvfb7JGMUokwNPJOJiAVPZ8/BS40Il+xG8nhsyE+wjHr f2Nhq7+C57hCGgkeTqJmhWW1ZeYvVhngL/I= --_000_CH2PR20MB314376433E99DE90D9E8533EB4110CH2PR20MB3143namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, The Burlington Route logo under the cab looks larger on the Genesis. Is th= at true or camera angle? Ricky Keil Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: CBQ@groups.io on behalf of William Hirt Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 7:49:58 PM To: CBQ@groups.io Subject: Re: [CBQ] P2K and Athearn GP7s The Athearn Genesis model for GP7 250 has a steam generator. I have all 3 = numbers and there are small detail/paint differences between the 3 (just li= ke the earlier Chinese Red versions they did). I would suspect this is due = to the photos they worked off of. The Protos are much heavier, so I suspect they are better pullers. I've corresponded privately with Eric Mumper and Lenny Ohrnell of this lis= t on what I found. The main issue on the Geneiss units is the Tsunami 2 decoder settings. The= good thing is that it is a full blown Tsunami 2, not a stripped down OEM v= ersion. The bad thing is Athearn claims in the instructions that the decode= r settings fit your locomotive. That is not the case. The Mars light was lit on both ends no matter what direction you selected.= I found each unit had function FX5 which is assigned to F5 was using a Wes= tern-Cullen rotary beacon as the light type. I changed it to Mars and that = fixed it. The assigned horn was wrong. The programmed setting was a Leslie R3M. Two = are Leslie A200 and one (Q 250) is a Leslie A125/A200 combo. The Prime Mover sound setting was inconsistent. One Q unit had a dual 567,= and two of the Q units had 567 - no transition. I changed them all to just= a plain 567. The differences mean you need to read in the entire decoder definition int= o a program like Decoder Pro to see what the actual current settings are on= the factory unit. I also bought a Wabash unit. It had it's own set of weird sound settings (= like a 567 Turbo for the Prime Mover). Two of the units run smooth and two = jackrabbit. I'll need to speed curve all of them. I've attached a photo of a new Genesis unit with the recent Proto. I've at= tached a image of Athearn Genesis unit 250. The Genesis is on the left and = the Proto is on the right. I also plan to run them separately so I don't re= ally see any issues after fixing these sound/speed curve issues. They are b= oth very nice sets of locomotives. As Eric wrote me, they are way better th= an the old Athearn "GP9" Chinese Red unit with the grey cab! Bill Hirt On 11/2/2020 5:16 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote: I received two P2K GP7s a few weeks ago and two Athearn GP7s today (all DC= C with sound), so I compared them to check out the differences. Theoretical= ly, there shouldn=92t be any differences, but read on. I was pleased with t= he P2K version, which came complete with steam generator, overnight heater,= horns in the right places, proper Mars light and headlights, and very nice= tooling. The gray looked just right to my eye. The Athearn gray was too da= rk, there is no steam generator, the short hood horn is mounted in the midd= le, which will have to be moved when I install steam generators. The long h= ood horn on 241 was mounted on the top of the long hood, while the long hoo= d horn on 218 was mounted on the left side of the long hood behind the over= night heater, as they should be according to the photos I have. Athearn too= ling doesn=92t measure up to P2K. Hindsight says that I should have bought = the two P2K DC road numbers and installed my own decoders instead of buying= the Athearn models. I haven=92t run these models, just programmed the long= addresses, so I can=92t comment about the mechanisms. Both versions are ni= ce model unless you put them side by side, so I won=92t run mixed consists = with these GP7s, mainly due to the gray mismatch. Nelson Moyer -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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Bill,

The Burlington Route logo under the cab loo= ks larger on the Genesis. Is that true or camera angle?

Ricky Keil

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The Athearn Genesis model for GP7 250 has a steam generator. I have all= 3 numbers and there are small detail/paint differences between the 3 (just= like the earlier Chinese Red versions they did). I would suspect this is d= ue to the photos they worked off of.

The Protos are much heavier, so I suspect they are better pullers.

I've corresponded privately with Eric Mumper and Lenny Ohrnell of this = list on what I found.

The main issue on the Geneiss units is the Tsunami 2 decoder settings. = The good thing is that it is a full blown Tsunami 2, not a stripped down OE= M version. The bad thing is Athearn claims in the instructions that the dec= oder settings fit your locomotive. That is not the case.

The Mars light was lit on both ends no matter what direction you select= ed. I found each unit had function FX5 which is assigned to F5 was using a = Western-Cullen rotary beacon as the light type. I changed it to Mars and th= at fixed it.

The assigned horn was wrong. The programmed setting was a Leslie R3M. T= wo are Leslie A200 and one (Q 250) is a Leslie A125/A200 combo.

The Prime Mover sound setting was inconsistent. One Q unit had a dual 5= 67, and two of the Q units had 567 - no transition. I changed them all to j= ust a plain 567.

The differences mean you need to read in the entire decoder definition = into a program like Decoder Pro to see what the actual current settings are= on the factory unit.

I also bought a Wabash unit. It had it's own set of weird sound setting= s (like a 567 Turbo for the Prime Mover). Two of the units run smooth and t= wo jackrabbit. I'll need to speed curve all of them.

I've attached a photo of a new Genesis unit with the recent Proto. I've= attached a image of Athearn Genesis unit 250. The Genesis is on the left a= nd the Proto is on the right. I also plan to run them separately so I don't= really see any issues after fixing these sound/speed curve issues. They are both very nice sets of locomotiv= es. As Eric wrote me, they are way better than the old Athearn "GP9&qu= ot; Chinese Red unit with the grey cab!

Bill Hirt


On 11/2/2020 5:16 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:=

I r= eceived two P2K GP7s a few weeks ago and two Athearn GP7s today (all DCC wi= th sound), so I compared them to check out the differences. Theoretically, = there shouldn=92t be any differences, but read on. I was pleased with the P2K version, which came complete with ste= am generator, overnight heater, horns in the right places, proper Mars ligh= t and headlights, and very nice tooling. The gray looked just right to my e= ye. The Athearn gray was too dark, there is no steam generator, the short hood horn is mounted in the middle= , which will have to be moved when I install steam generators. The long hoo= d horn on 241 was mounted on the top of the long hood, while the long hood = horn on 218 was mounted on the left side of the long hood behind the overnight heater, as they should be acco= rding to the photos I have. Athearn tooling doesn=92t measure up to P2K. Hi= ndsight says that I should have bought the two P2K DC road numbers and inst= alled my own decoders instead of buying the Athearn models. I haven=92t run these models, just programmed the lon= g addresses, so I can=92t comment about the mechanisms. Both versions are n= ice model unless you put them side by side, so I won=92t run mixed consists= with these GP7s, mainly due to the gray mismatch.

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Nel= son Moyer

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