Return-Path: Delivered-To: unknown Received: from mailhost.usrp-ltd.com (10.45.0.93:110) by pegasus.nauer.org with POP3; 19 Nov 2020 21:55:02 -0000 Delivered-To: archives@nauer.org Received: (qmail 3534 invoked by uid 168); 19 Nov 2020 15:06:35 -0600 X-Qmail-Scanner-Diagnostics: from web01.groups.io by mailhost (envelope-from , uid 89) with qmail-scanner-2.10st (clamdscan: 0.99.2/25992. mhr: 1.0. spamassassin: 3.3.2. perlscan: 2.10st. Clear:RC:0(66.175.222.12):SA:0(-5.6/5.0):. Processed in 4.552515 secs); 19 Nov 2020 21:06:35 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-5.6 required=5.0 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: bounce+11863+60818+703214+1544929@groups.io via mailhost X-Qmail-Scanner: 2.10st (Clear:RC:0(66.175.222.12):SA:0(-5.6/5.0):. 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Beneath the slab was the standard Budd corrugated side panel. Photos of damaged cars being rebuilt exposed these typical Budd sides. Th= e former NP dome sleeper that the Rio Grande purchased was stripped of the flat sides to expose the corrugated stainless steel, which was how the car appeared when it ran prior to UP acquisition. I have not heard of or seen evidence of any problems with the overlay or the structural panels beneath the slabs. Jim Sandrin Virus-free. www.avg.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 10:52, Charlie Vlk wrote: > All- > > Regarding the topic of the corrosion of Budd =E2=80=9Csmoothside=E2=80= =9D cars with > Cor-Ten steel rusting, AFAIK the Budd slab or panel side cars on the NP = and > GN were painted stainless steel and they performed as well as any of the > conventionally fluted cars in the Burlington fleet. As a side > note=E2=80=A6.Cor-Ten is supposed to rust=E2=80=A6that is the main point= of using it=E2=80=A6the > rust provides a protection barrier for anything made of it. I don=E2=80= = =99t know > if it and stainless reacts the same as the steels used in PS and ACF car= s. > > As a sidebar to this thread=E2=80=A6 > > I=E2=80=99ve seen comments here previously relating to Budd roofs leakin= g and > being painted with sealant. > > I=E2=80=99ve never seen a Burlington car of any vintage so treated and w= ondered > why the Q didn=E2=80=99t have the problems with leaking roofs or did the= y deal with > it in a different manner? (This doesn=E2=80=99t count the WWII painting= of > (some??) roofs (likely those in Exposition Flyer service that would make= it > to the West Coast) to make them less conspicuous to enemy aircraft). > > They had a number of the different types of Budd carbody construction (n= ot > all, but most of the =E2=80=9CPhases=E2=80=9D) and the only press they e= ver got was when > the DZ were completely refurbished down to the frames was the remarkable > pristine condition of the structure. > > I do recall seeing some silver color caulking on roofs of ex-Q dome cars > but that was on cars in excursion service well after AMTRAK. > > Anybody have any other input on the experience of water intrusion on Bud= d > cars which would be the source of all evils under discussion? > > Charlie Vlk > > > > >=20 > > -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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Charlie:=C2=A0 The slab or panel sides on NP and GN cars w= ere an overlay=C2=A0that=C2=A0gave visual continuity to the North Coast Lim= ited and Empire Builder, matching the smooth sides of the Pullman and ACF c= ars in the consist.=C2=A0 Beneath the slab was the standard Budd corrugated= = =C2=A0 side panel.=C2=A0 Photos of damaged cars being rebuilt exposed thes= e typical Budd sides.=C2=A0 The former NP dome sleeper that the Rio Grande = purchased was stripped of the flat sides to expose the corrugated stainless= steel, which was how the car appeared when it ran prior to UP acquisition.= = =C2=A0 I have not heard of or seen evidence of any problems with the overl= ay or the structural panels beneath the slabs.=C2=A0 Jim Sandrin=C2=A0=C2= =A0

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On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 10:52, Charlie Vlk <cvlk@comcast.net> wrote:
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Reg= arding the topic of the corrosion of Budd =E2=80=9Csmoothside=E2=80=9D cars= with Cor-Ten steel rusting, AFAIK the Budd slab or panel side cars on the = NP and GN were painted stainless steel and they performed as well as any of= the conventionally fluted cars in the Burlington fleet.=C2=A0 As a side no= te=E2=80=A6.Cor-Ten is supposed to rust=E2=80=A6that is the main point of u= sing it=E2=80=A6the rust provides a protection barrier for anything made of= it.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t know if it and stainless reacts the same as the = steels used in PS and ACF cars.

As = a =C2=A0sidebar to this thread=E2=80=A6

I=E2=80=99ve seen comments here previously relating to Budd roofs leak= ing and being painted with sealant.

I=E2=80=99ve never seen a Burlington car of any vintage so treated and won= dered why the Q didn=E2=80=99t have the problems with leaking roofs or did = they deal with it in a different manner? =C2=A0(This doesn=E2=80=99t count = the WWII painting of (some??) roofs (likely those in Exposition Flyer servi= ce that would make it to the West Coast) to make them less conspicuous to e= nemy aircraft).

They had a number o= f the different types of Budd carbody construction (not all, but most of th= e =E2=80=9CPhases=E2=80=9D) and the only press they ever got was when the D= Z were completely refurbished down to the frames was the remarkable pristin= e condition of the structure.=C2=A0

I do recall seeing some silver color caulking on roofs of ex-Q dome cars = but that was on cars in excursion service well after AMTRAK.<= /p>

Anybody have any other input on the experience of= water intrusion on Budd cars which would be the source of all evils under = discussion?

Charlie Vlk

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