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Those old Official Guide listings are still available at the link Nolen Null posted to the group some 5-1/2 years ago: http://www.naotc.org/oldguides/index.html msw az On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 7:52 AM Louis Zadnichek via groups.io wrote: > November 10, 2020 > > Mike - And further confuse me you have..... Anyway, thanks. Any other > ideas on routing out there? - Louis > > Louis Zadnichek II > Fairhope, AL > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Martin via groups.io > To: cbq@groups.io > Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2020 6:56 pm > Subject: Re: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph > > > I'm guessing an incorrect caption on the back of the photograph. Was St= . > Joseph (Missouri?) a big enough town or passenger destination to have ev= en > been mentioned? If there was a Rock Island train that went from St. > Joseph, MO to Davenport it would make sense. Milwaukee Road ran thru > Davenport as well... they could have had a train to St. Joseph, MO but > Kansas City would make better sense. I think St. Joseph started out as = an > important western gateway on the Missouri River and then Omaha and Kansa= s > City overtook it greatly. Maybe in 1900 St. Joseph was still an importa= nt > destination? I've never been there and the only reason I can even think= to > go there today would be to see #5614 on display!!! > > I have no idea about the locomotives... you get back that far and they a= re > just too generic looking to my eyes... all teakettles look the same in > other words! I'm going to say that if one can identify the station on t= he > left that is going to be the key. There is a water crane there so it m= ust > be an important stop that would take some time to fill the tender and ma= ybe > a lunchroom for the passengers so it's a bigger town or division point. = If > you can imagine the Milwaukee Road station on the riverfront today in > Davenport the station should be on the right side of the train if we are > looking south which would be the direction an arriving train from St. > Joseph, MO would arrive. > > Just some random thoughts to confuse you Louis!! > > Mike Martin / Mahomet, IL > > -----Original Message----- > From: Louis Zadnichek via groups.io > To: cbq@groups.io > Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2020 3:56 pm > Subject: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph > > November 9, 2020 > > Group - Among the 27,884 images posted to date on the Flickr Page within > the Members Only Section of the BRHS Website, there's the attached > photograph. It's ID'd as "St. Joe Train One Day Late Davenport, Iowa an= d > dated May 8, unknown year. Looks to have been a late winter blizzard tha= t > had tied-up rail traffic. > > As far as I know, the K Line ended at Burlington, IA. There was no Q > trackage on the west side of the Mississippi River between Burlington an= d > Davenport. To get from Davenport to Burlington and the K Line, a train f= rom > the north would have to travel south from Savanna, IL, on the line along > the east side of the river, cross the river at Clinton, IA, travel south= on > the DRI&NW to Davenport, cross the river again to Barstow, IL, then sout= h > to Monmouth, IL, then west to Burlington and finally pick up the K Line > there. > > My question is the caption. I think it may be wrong. I don=E2=80=99t thi= nk any Q > train ever followed that route and if so, from where? Minneapolis, > LaCrosse, Dubuque or Savanna? I question whether the photo is really > Davenport or is it really a St. Joe train. The photo has to date around > 1900 or a couple years either side. There is nothing in the photo that > would confirm Davenport as I know it today, but that doesn=E2=80=99t mea= n that it > is not. > > The Q trackage in Davenport was actually DRI&NW trackage if I I recall > correctly what I read in the BRHS Bulletin issued several years ago. I'v= e > already asked Archie Hayden and he doesn't have an answer. Can anyone in > this Group confirm the photo location? I've also attached a section of a > 1907 Q map showing the trackage in that region. From it, you can see wha= t I > am talking about and why I raised the original question. > > Maybe a timetable from that era would help if anyone had one. Lastly, > could this photograph be of two Rock Island trains instead as I think th= e > CRI&P also went to St. Joe? - Louis > > Louis Zadnichek II > Fairhope, AL >=20 > > -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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I think Mr. Martin may be on the right track here - a 1900 Offic= ial Guide listing shows Rock Island trains #11 and 12 running between Chica= go and Atchison, KS via St. Joseph, MO and Davenport, IA.

Those old O= fficial Guide listings are still available at the link Nolen Null posted to= the group some 5-1/2 years ago:
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On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 7:52 AM Louis Zadnichek via groups.io <LZadnichek=3D<= a href=3D"mailto:aol.com@groups.io" target=3D"_blank">aol.com@groups.io= > wrote:
November 10, 2020

Mike - And further confuse me you have..... Anyway, thanks.=C2=A0 Any= other ideas on routing out there? - Louis

Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL


----= -Original Message-----
From: Mike Martin via group= s.io <atsf3460=3Daol.com@groups.io>
To: cbq@groups.io &= lt;cbq@groups.io>=
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2020 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph


I'm guessing an incorrect caption on the back= of the photograph.=C2=A0 Was St. Joseph (Missouri?) a big enough town or p= assenger destination to have even been mentioned?=C2=A0 If there was a Rock= Island train that went from St. Joseph, MO to Davenport it would make sens= e.=C2=A0 Milwaukee Road ran thru Davenport as well... they could have had a= train to St. Joseph, MO but Kansas City would make better sense.=C2=A0 I t= hink St. Joseph started out as an important western gateway on the Missouri= River and then Omaha and Kansas City overtook it greatly.=C2=A0 Maybe in 1= 900 St. Joseph was still an important destination?=C2=A0 I've never bee= n there and the only reason I can even think to go there today would be to = see #5614 on display!!!

I have no idea about the locomotives... you get back that far and th= ey are just too generic looking to my eyes... all teakettles look the same = in other words!=C2=A0 I'm going to say that if one can identify the sta= tion on the left that is going to be the key.=C2=A0 There is a water crane= =C2=A0 there so it must be an important stop that would take some time to = fill the tender and maybe a lunchroom for the passengers so it's a bigg= er town or division point.=C2=A0 If you can imagine the Milwaukee Road stat= ion on the riverfront today in Davenport the station should be on the right= side of the train if we are looking south which would be the direction an = arriving train from St. Joseph, MO would arrive.

Just some random thoughts to confuse you Louis!!

Mike Martin / Mahomet, IL

-----= Original Message-----
From: Louis Zadnichek via groups.io <LZadnichek=3Daol.com@groups.io&g= t;
To: cbq@groups.io
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2020 3:56 pm
Subject: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph
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November 9, 2020

Group - Among the 27,884 images posted to date on the Fli= ckr Page within the Members Only Section of the BRHS Website, there's t= he attached photograph. It's ID'd as "St. Joe Train One Day La= te=C2=A0 Davenport, Iowa and dated May 8, unknown year. Looks to have been = a late winter blizzard that had tied-up rail traffic.
=C2=A0
As far as I know, the K Line ended at Burlington, IA. There was no Q trac= kage on the west side of the Mississippi River between Burlington and Daven= port. To get from Davenport to Burlington and the K Line, a train from the = north would have to travel south from Savanna, IL, on the line along the ea= st side of the river, cross the river at Clinton, IA, travel south on the D= RI&NW to Davenport, cross the river again to Barstow, IL, then south to= Monmouth, IL, then west to Burlington and finally pick up the K Line there= .=C2=A0
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My question is the caption.= I think it may be wrong. I don=E2=80=99t think any Q train ever followed t= hat route and if so, from where? Minneapolis, LaCrosse, Dubuque or Savanna?= I question whether the photo is really Davenport or is it really a St. Joe= train. The photo has to date around 1900 or a couple years either side. Th= ere is nothing in the photo that would confirm Davenport as I know it today= , but that doesn=E2=80=99t mean that it is not.
=C2=A0
The Q trackage in Davenport= was actually DRI&NW trackage if I I recall correctly what I read in th= e BRHS Bulletin issued several years ago. I've already asked Archie Hay= den and he doesn't have an answer. Can anyone in this Group confirm the= photo location?=C2=A0I've also attached a section of a 1907 Q map show= ing the trackage in that region. From it, you can see what I am talking abo= ut and why I raised the original question.
=C2=A0
Maybe a timetable from that= era would help if anyone had one. Lastly, could this photograph be of two = Rock Island trains instead as I think the CRI&P also went to St. Joe? -= Louis
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Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL
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