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I doubt that there is anyone on here who has been at and/or worked in and = out of St. Joe UD.=C2=A0 more than me.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Pete -----Original Message----- From: Louis Zadnichek via groups.io To: CBQ@groups.io Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph November 10, 2020 Mike - And further confuse me you have..... Anyway, thanks.=C2=A0 Any othe= r ideas on routing out there? - Louis Louis Zadnichek IIFairhope, AL -----Original Message----- From: Mike Martin via groups.io To: cbq@groups.io Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2020 6:56 pm Subject: Re: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph I'm guessing an incorrect caption on the back of the photograph.=C2=A0 Was= St. Joseph (Missouri?) a big enough town or passenger destination to have = even been mentioned?=C2=A0 If there was a Rock Island train that went from = St. Joseph, MO to Davenport it would make sense.=C2=A0 Milwaukee Road ran t= hru Davenport as well... they could have had a train to St. Joseph, MO but = Kansas City would make better sense.=C2=A0 I think St. Joseph started out a= s an important western gateway on the Missouri River and then Omaha and Kan= sas City overtook it greatly.=C2=A0 Maybe in 1900 St. Joseph was still an i= mportant destination?=C2=A0 I've never been there and the only reason I can= even think to go there today would be to see #5614 on display!!! I have no idea about the locomotives... you get back that far and they are= just too generic looking to my eyes... all teakettles look the same in oth= er words!=C2=A0 I'm going to say that if one can identify the station on th= e left that is going to be the key.=C2=A0 There is a water crane=C2=A0 ther= e so it must be an important stop that would take some time to fill the ten= der and maybe a lunchroom for the passengers so it's a bigger town or divis= ion point.=C2=A0 If you can imagine the Milwaukee Road station on the river= front today in Davenport the station should be on the right side of the tra= in if we are looking south which would be the direction an arriving train f= rom St. Joseph, MO would arrive. Just some random thoughts to confuse you Louis!! Mike Martin / Mahomet, IL -----Original Message----- From: Louis Zadnichek via groups.io To: cbq@groups.io Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2020 3:56 pm Subject: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph November 9, 2020 Group - Among the 27,884 images posted to date on the Flickr Page within t= he Members Only Section of the BRHS Website, there's the attached photograp= h. It's ID'd as "St. Joe Train One Day Late=C2=A0 Davenport, Iowa and dated= May 8, unknown year. Looks to have been a late winter blizzard that had ti= ed-up rail traffic.=C2=A0 As far as I know, the K Line ended at Burlington,= IA. There was no Q trackage on the west side of the Mississippi River betw= een Burlington and Davenport. To get from Davenport to Burlington and the K= Line, a train from the north would have to travel south from Savanna, IL, = on the line along the east side of the river, cross the river at Clinton, I= A, travel south on the DRI&NW to Davenport, cross the river again to Barsto= w, IL, then south to Monmouth, IL, then west to Burlington and finally pick= up the K Line there.=C2=A0=C2=A0My question is the caption. I think it may= be wrong. I don=E2=80=99t think any Q train ever followed that route and i= f so, from where? Minneapolis, LaCrosse, Dubuque or Savanna? I question whe= ther the photo is really Davenport or is it really a St. Joe train. The pho= to has to date around 1900 or a couple years either side. There is nothing = in the photo that would confirm Davenport as I know it today, but that does= n=E2=80=99t mean that it is not. =C2=A0The Q trackage in Davenport was actu= ally DRI&NW trackage if I I recall correctly what I read in the BRHS Bullet= in issued several years ago. I've already asked Archie Hayden and he doesn'= t have an answer. Can anyone in this Group confirm the photo location?=C2= =A0I've also attached a section of a 1907 Q map showing the trackage in th= at region. From it, you can see what I am talking about and why I raised th= e original question. =C2=A0Maybe a timetable from that era would help if an= yone had one. Lastly, could this photograph be of two Rock Island trains in= stead as I think the CRI&P also went to St. Joe? - Louis =C2=A0Louis Zadnichek IIFairhope, AL -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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If somebody will put up that = photo re St. Joe MO...I will tell you whether it is or is not St. Joe.

I doubt that there is anyone on here who has been at and/or worked in= and out of St. Joe UD.  more than me.  


Pete


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Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2020 8:52 am
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph

November 10, 2020

Mike - And further confuse me you have..... Anyway, thanks.  Any= other ideas on routing out there? - Louis

Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL


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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph


I'm guessing an incorrect caption on the back = of the photograph.  Was St. Joseph (Missouri?) a big enough town or pa= ssenger destination to have even been mentioned?  If there was a Rock = Island train that went from St. Joseph, MO to Davenport it would make sense= .  Milwaukee Road ran thru Davenport as well... they could have had a = train to St. Joseph, MO but Kansas City would make better sense.  I th= ink St. Joseph started out as an important western gateway on the Missouri = River and then Omaha and Kansas City overtook it greatly.  Maybe in 19= 00 St. Joseph was still an important destination?  I've never been the= re and the only reason I can even think to go there today would be to see #= 5614 on display!!!

I have no idea about the locomotives... you get back that far and= they are just too generic looking to my eyes... all teakettles look the sa= me in other words!  I'm going to say that if one can identify the stat= ion on the left that is going to be the key.  There is a water crane&n= bsp; there so it must be an important stop that would take some time to fil= l the tender and maybe a lunchroom for the passengers so it's a bigger town= or division point.  If you can imagine the Milwaukee Road station on = the riverfront today in Davenport the station should be on the right side o= f the train if we are looking south which would be the direction an arrivin= g train from St. Joseph, MO would arrive.

Just some random thoughts to confuse you Louis!!

Mike Martin / Mahomet, IL

--= ---Original Message-----
From: Louis Zadnichek via groups= .io <LZadnichek=3Daol.com@groups.io>
To: cbq@groups= .io
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2020 3:56 pm
Subj= ect: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph

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November 9, 2020

Group - Among the 27,884 images posted to date on th= e Flickr Page within the Members Only Section of the BRHS Website, there's = the attached photograph. It's ID'd as "St. Joe Train One Day Late  Dav= enport, Iowa and dated May 8, unknown year. Looks to have been a late winte= r blizzard that had tied-up rail traffic.
 
As far as I know, the K Line ended at Burlington, IA. There was no Q t= rackage on the west side of the Mississippi River between Burlington and Da= venport. To get from Davenport to Burlington and the K Line, a train from t= he north would have to travel south from Savanna, IL, on the line along the= east side of the river, cross the river at Clinton, IA, travel south on th= e DRI&NW to Davenport, cross the river again to Barstow, IL, then south= to Monmouth, IL, then west to Burlington and finally pick up the K Line th= ere. 
=  
= My= question is the caption. I think it may be wrong. I don=E2=80=99t think an= y Q train ever followed that route and if so, from where? Minneapolis, LaCr= osse, Dubuque or Savanna? I question whether the photo is really Davenport = or is it really a St. Joe train. The photo has to date around 1900 or a cou= ple years either side. There is nothing in the photo that would confirm Dav= enport as I know it today, but that doesn=E2=80=99t mean that it is not.
=  
= Th= e Q trackage in Davenport was actually DRI&NW trackage if I I recall co= rrectly what I read in the BRHS Bulletin issued several years ago. I've alr= eady asked Archie Hayden and he doesn't have an answer. Can anyone in this = Group confirm the photo location? I've also attached a section of a 19= 07 Q map showing the trackage in that region. From it, you can see what I a= m talking about and why I raised the original question.
=  
= Ma= ybe a timetable from that era would help if anyone had one. Lastly, could t= his photograph be of two Rock Island trains instead as I think the CRI&= P also went to St. Joe? - Louis
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