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The original Rock Island mainline to Colorado was through St. Joseph. The Rock Island didn't build their gap filling line from Council Bluffs to their Colorado bound line across southeastern Nebraska until 1890s. So St. Joe would still had been prominent player at 1900 in Rock Island passenger traffic patterns. As was often in the case in the Rock Island's life, making the decisions to go west through first Leavenworth and then St. Joseph turned out to be poor for future traffic considerations. Bill Hirt On 11/11/2020 9:51 AM, Louis Zadnichek via groups.io wrote: > November 11, 2020 > > Bill - The more I look into this, I'm more inclined to believe that > the image is correctly ID'd as being at Davenport, but incorrectly > ID'd as to railroad.  I'm now of the opinion that the two passenger > trains shown are indeed Rock Island, not Q.  That's the only plausible > explanation for the "St. Joe Train One Day Late" written on the > photograph. This Rock Island advertisement from that time period shows > that there was daily overnight "Chicago Fast Express" passenger > service between St. Joe and Chicago that would've passed through > Davenport: > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#60794): https://groups.io/g/CBQ/message/60794 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/78147046/703214 Group Owner: CBQ+owner@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/CBQ/leave/1544929/691670059/xyzzy [archives@nauer.org] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- --------------4D3C78B31AC357F5D75FA536 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Louis,

That makes sense. The original Rock Island mainline to Colorado was through St. Joseph. The Rock Island didn't build their gap filling line from Council Bluffs to their Colorado bound line across southeastern Nebraska until 1890s. So St. Joe would still had been prominent player at 1900 in Rock Island passenger traffic patterns. As was often in the case in the Rock Island's life, making the decisions to go west through first Leavenworth and then St. Joseph turned out to be poor for future traffic considerations.

Bill Hirt

On 11/11/2020 9:51 AM, Louis Zadnichek via groups.io wrote:
November 11, 2020

Bill - The more I look into this, I'm more inclined to believe that the image is correctly ID'd as being at Davenport, but incorrectly ID'd as to railroad.  I'm now of the opinion that the two passenger trains shown are indeed Rock Island, not Q.  That's the only plausible explanation for the "St. Joe Train One Day Late" written on the photograph.  This Rock Island advertisement from that time period shows that there was daily overnight "Chicago Fast Express" passenger service between St. Joe and Chicago that would've passed through Davenport:

 

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