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Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:52:43 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:52:39 +0000 (UTC) From: "Louis Zadnichek via groups.io" Reply-To: CBQ@groups.io To: "CBQ@groups.io" Message-ID: <1990965439.4099609.1605019959350@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1168857745.3626019.1604969772512@mail.yahoo.com> References: <803932254.3833381.1604958949973.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <803932254.3833381.1604958949973@mail.yahoo.com> <1168857745.3626019.1604969772512@mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk List-Unsubscribe: Sender: CBQ@groups.io List-Id: Mailing-List: list CBQ@groups.io; contact CBQ+owner@groups.io Delivered-To: mailing list CBQ@groups.io X-Gm-Message-State: VyXeoML1QxsnWuRb2dAzv0U6x703214AA= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4099608_816838994.1605019959347" Content-Length: 15828 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io; q=dns/txt; s=20140610; t=1605019965; bh=coW3ZQmGDM3/Jye6fLI7AllG85LEAVKqDlV6nXfEptg=; h=Content-Type:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To; b=HuG72dQOS9ssBnCjc6NeEp0eFm1panh64mBTsk84krbr/hjy1xWA4awuBYqjHiyGGvs jcjD+2+ILM6VvoOsPq5yBRjYfSxU34hQdlToVGHv3Nh4qjfvfqz3VQ/fR8TN8+oLYLlgU es6/I2Hkxmz7xRFNsdPS5TZxskpoK8lFNnk= ------=_Part_4099608_816838994.1605019959347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable November 10, 2020 Mike - And further confuse me you have..... Anyway, thanks.=C2=A0 Any othe= r ideas on routing out there? - Louis Louis Zadnichek IIFairhope, AL -----Original Message----- From: Mike Martin via groups.io To: cbq@groups.io Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2020 6:56 pm Subject: Re: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph I'm guessing an incorrect caption on the back of the photograph.=C2=A0 Was= St. Joseph (Missouri?) a big enough town or passenger destination to have = even been mentioned?=C2=A0 If there was a Rock Island train that went from = St. Joseph, MO to Davenport it would make sense.=C2=A0 Milwaukee Road ran t= hru Davenport as well... they could have had a train to St. Joseph, MO but = Kansas City would make better sense.=C2=A0 I think St. Joseph started out a= s an important western gateway on the Missouri River and then Omaha and Kan= sas City overtook it greatly.=C2=A0 Maybe in 1900 St. Joseph was still an i= mportant destination?=C2=A0 I've never been there and the only reason I can= even think to go there today would be to see #5614 on display!!! I have no idea about the locomotives... you get back that far and they are= just too generic looking to my eyes... all teakettles look the same in oth= er words!=C2=A0 I'm going to say that if one can identify the station on th= e left that is going to be the key.=C2=A0 There is a water crane=C2=A0 ther= e so it must be an important stop that would take some time to fill the ten= der and maybe a lunchroom for the passengers so it's a bigger town or divis= ion point.=C2=A0 If you can imagine the Milwaukee Road station on the river= front today in Davenport the station should be on the right side of the tra= in if we are looking south which would be the direction an arriving train f= rom St. Joseph, MO would arrive. Just some random thoughts to confuse you Louis!! Mike Martin / Mahomet, IL -----Original Message----- From: Louis Zadnichek via groups.io To: cbq@groups.io Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2020 3:56 pm Subject: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph November 9, 2020 Group - Among the 27,884 images posted to date on the Flickr Page within t= he Members Only Section of the BRHS Website, there's the attached photograp= h. It's ID'd as "St. Joe Train One Day Late=C2=A0 Davenport, Iowa and dated= May 8, unknown year. Looks to have been a late winter blizzard that had ti= ed-up rail traffic.=C2=A0 As far as I know, the K Line ended at Burlington,= IA. There was no Q trackage on the west side of the Mississippi River betw= een Burlington and Davenport. To get from Davenport to Burlington and the K= Line, a train from the north would have to travel south from Savanna, IL, = on the line along the east side of the river, cross the river at Clinton, I= A, travel south on the DRI&NW to Davenport, cross the river again to Barsto= w, IL, then south to Monmouth, IL, then west to Burlington and finally pick= up the K Line there.=C2=A0=C2=A0My question is the caption. I think it may= be wrong. I don=E2=80=99t think any Q train ever followed that route and i= f so, from where? Minneapolis, LaCrosse, Dubuque or Savanna? I question whe= ther the photo is really Davenport or is it really a St. Joe train. The pho= to has to date around 1900 or a couple years either side. There is nothing = in the photo that would confirm Davenport as I know it today, but that does= n=E2=80=99t mean that it is not. =C2=A0The Q trackage in Davenport was actu= ally DRI&NW trackage if I I recall correctly what I read in the BRHS Bullet= in issued several years ago. I've already asked Archie Hayden and he doesn'= t have an answer. Can anyone in this Group confirm the photo location?=C2= =A0I've also attached a section of a 1907 Q map showing the trackage in th= at region. From it, you can see what I am talking about and why I raised th= e original question. =C2=A0Maybe a timetable from that era would help if an= yone had one. Lastly, could this photograph be of two Rock Island trains in= stead as I think the CRI&P also went to St. Joe? - Louis =C2=A0Louis Zadnichek IIFairhope, AL -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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November 10, 2020

Mike - And further confuse me you have..... Anyway, thanks.  Any= other ideas on routing out there? - Louis

Louis Zadnichek II
Fairhope, AL



I'm guessing an incorrect caption on the = back of the photograph.  Was St. Joseph (Missouri?) a big enough town = or passenger destination to have even been mentioned?  If there was a = Rock Island train that went from St. Joseph, MO to Davenport it would make = sense.  Milwaukee Road ran thru Davenport as well... they could have h= ad a train to St. Joseph, MO but Kansas City would make better sense. = I think St. Joseph started out as an important western gateway on the Miss= ouri River and then Omaha and Kansas City overtook it greatly.  Maybe = in 1900 St. Joseph was still an important destination?  I've never bee= n there and the only reason I can even think to go there today would be to = see #5614 on display!!!

I have no idea about the locomotives... you get back that fa= r and they are just too generic looking to my eyes... all teakettles look t= he same in other words!  I'm going to say that if one can identify the= station on the left that is going to be the key.  There is a water cr= ane  there so it must be an important stop that would take some time t= o fill the tender and maybe a lunchroom for the passengers so it's a bigger= town or division point.  If you can imagine the Milwaukee Road statio= n on the riverfront today in Davenport the station should be on the right s= ide of the train if we are looking south which would be the direction an ar= riving train from St. Joseph, MO would arrive.

Just some random thoughts to confuse you Louis!!

Mike Martin / Mahomet, IL

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Subject: [CBQ] Help In ID'ing Photograph

November 9, 2020

Group - Among the 27,884 images posted to date = on the Flickr Page within the Members Only Section of the BRHS Website, the= re's the attached photograph. It's ID'd as "St. Joe Train One Day Late = ; Davenport, Iowa and dated May 8, unknown year. Looks to have been a late = winter blizzard that had tied-up rail traffic.
 
As far as I know, the K Line ended at Burlington, IA. There was no = Q trackage on the west side of the Mississippi River between Burlington and= Davenport. To get from Davenport to Burlington and the K Line, a train fro= m the north would have to travel south from Savanna, IL, on the line along = the east side of the river, cross the river at Clinton, IA, travel south on= the DRI&NW to Davenport, cross the river again to Barstow, IL, then so= uth to Monmouth, IL, then west to Burlington and finally pick up the K Line= there. 
 
My question is the caption. I thi= nk it may be wrong. I don=E2=80=99t think any Q train ever followed that ro= ute and if so, from where? Minneapolis, LaCrosse, Dubuque or Savanna? I que= stion whether the photo is really Davenport or is it really a St. Joe train= . The photo has to date around 1900 or a couple years either side. There is= nothing in the photo that would confirm Davenport as I know it today, but = that doesn=E2=80=99t mean that it is not.
 
The Q trackage in Davenport was a= ctually DRI&NW trackage if I I recall correctly what I read in the BRHS= Bulletin issued several years ago. I've already asked Archie Hayden and he= doesn't have an answer. Can anyone in this Group confirm the photo locatio= n? I've also attached a section of a 1907 Q map showing the trackage i= n that region. From it, you can see what I am talking about and why I raise= d the original question.
 
Maybe a timetable from that era w= ould help if anyone had one. Lastly, could this photograph be of two Rock I= sland trains instead as I think the CRI&P also went to St. Joe? - Louis=
 
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