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As a side not= e=E2=80=A6.Cor-Ten is supposed to rust=E2=80=A6that is the main point of us= ing it=E2=80=A6the rust provides a protection barrier for anything made of = it. I don=E2=80=99t know if it and stainless reacts the same as the steels= used in PS and ACF cars. As a sidebar to this thread=E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99ve seen comments here previously relating to Budd roofs leaking = and being painted with sealant. I=E2=80=99ve never seen a Burlington car of any vintage so treated and won= dered why the Q didn=E2=80=99t have the problems with leaking roofs or did = they deal with it in a different manner? (This doesn=E2=80=99t count the W= WII painting of (some??) roofs (likely those in Exposition Flyer service th= at would make it to the West Coast) to make them less conspicuous to enemy = aircraft). They had a number of the different types of Budd carbody construction (not= all, but most of the =E2=80=9CPhases=E2=80=9D) and the only press they eve= r got was when the DZ were completely refurbished down to the frames was th= e remarkable pristine condition of the structure. I do recall seeing some silver color caulking on roofs of ex-Q dome cars b= ut that was on cars in excursion service well after AMTRAK. Anybody have any other input on the experience of water intrusion on Budd = cars which would be the source of all evils under discussion? Charlie Vlk =20 =20 -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. 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Regarding the = topic of the corrosion of Budd =E2=80=9Csmoothside=E2=80=9D cars with Cor-T= en steel rusting, AFAIK the Budd slab or panel side cars on the NP and GN w= ere painted stainless steel and they performed as well as any of the conven= tionally fluted cars in the Burlington fleet. =C2=A0As a side note=E2=80=A6= .Cor-Ten is supposed to rust=E2=80=A6that is the main point of using it=E2= =80=A6the rust provides a protection barrier for anything made of it.=C2= =A0 I don=E2=80=99t know if it and stainless reacts the same as the steels= used in PS and ACF cars.

As a =C2=A0sid= ebar to this thread=E2=80=A6

I=E2=80=99v= e seen comments here previously relating to Budd roofs leaking and being pa= inted with sealant.

I=E2=80=99ve never s= een a Burlington car of any vintage so treated and wondered why the Q didn= =E2=80=99t have the problems with leaking roofs or did they deal with it i= n a different manner? =C2=A0(This doesn=E2=80=99t count the WWII painting o= f (some??) roofs (likely those in Exposition Flyer service that would make = it to the West Coast) to make them less conspicuous to enemy aircraft).

They had a number of the different types of= Budd carbody construction (not all, but most of the =E2=80=9CPhases=E2=80= =9D) and the only press they ever got was when the DZ were completely refu= rbished down to the frames was the remarkable pristine condition of the str= ucture.=C2=A0

I do recall seeing some s= ilver color caulking on roofs of ex-Q dome cars but that was on cars in exc= ursion service well after AMTRAK.

Anybod= y have any other input on the experience of water intrusion on Budd cars wh= ich would be the source of all evils under discussion?

Charlie Vlk

 

 

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