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Hol,

Thanks for sharing. As to the heavy weight equipment to the right,it's in '=
B' yard. Looks like suburban open platforms to these old eyes. That would b=
e correct for the time period as 'B' yard was primarily dinky operations. '=
A' yard,behind the signal bridge,was for through equipment and 'C' yard to =
the right of 'B' yard was used for head end cars,etc.

What strikes me is the haze in the air,as late as '49-'50. Good old king co=
al. I'm slowly tying the 1910-12 railroad massive response to Chicagos dema=
nd for the the railroads to electrify into a piece on the Q's Chicago freig=
ht houses and another on Western Ave operations. Huge amounts of railroad t=
raffic data in that monstrous volume.

I'm looking for photos of both subjects from group members.

Leo Phillipp

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Michael Woodruff mwoodruff54@gmail.com [CBQ]=
 <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hol:
>=20
> I'll take a wild guess as to the identity of the Pennsy train with the ob=
s car - it could be the South Wind.  Most of the Pennsy's "Blue Ribbon Flee=
t" trains to the east were afternoon departures from Chicago, but the South=
 Wind left around 9:30 AM IIRC.
>=20
> msw
> largofl
>=20
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ]=
 <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>=20=20
>> [Attachment(s) from Hol Wagner included below]
>> I recently acquired this circa 1949-50 photo on eBay -- as a poor qualit=
y B&W 35mm slide -- and after considerable clean-up effort, here is the rat=
her interesting result.  Photographed from Chicago's Roosevelt Road viaduct=
, looking south, Burlington train No. 10, the overnight Denver Zephyr, is a=
pproaching Union Station behind a back-to-back set of E5 A-units.  Due to a=
rrive at 8:35 a.m., this day's train has the usual articulated consist ampl=
ified with three conventional pre-war lightweight cars -- a dining car ('Si=
lver Pheasant' or 'Silver Spoon,' as 'Silver Inn' had already been destroye=
d in the April 1946 Naperville collision) and two chair cars -- inserted im=
mediately behind the units with the diner's kitchen up against the nose of =
the trailing unit.  A variety of heavyweight passenger cars is visible in t=
he 14th Street coachyard to the right of the train.  And a departing heavyw=
eight train can be seen in the distance on the track adjacent to the DZ, li=
kely a Q train also, and if No. 10 is on time it must by a suburban dinky, =
as no intercity trains were scheduled out before the Morning Zephyr's 8:45 =
a.m. departure.
>>=20
>>=20
>> There is considerably more of interest on the left side of the scene, wh=
ere the big Pennsy coachyard was located.  In the left foreground is one of=
 the rather ungainly streamlined T-1 4-4-4-4 duplex locomotives turned out =
for the Pennsy by Baldwin in 1945-46.  It has undoubtedly brought a passeng=
er train in from Fort Wayne, Ind., and is now backing from the depot to the=
 railroad's locomotive servicing facilities.  Back in the coachyard behind =
the T-1, directly below the counterweights of the Chicago River bascule bri=
dge, sits a pair of Baldwin DR-6-4-2000 sharknose passenger units delivered=
 to the Pennsy in 1948.  That they are coupled to a train may indicate that=
 they have previously backed that train from the depot to the coachyard rat=
her than having it pulled by one of the little SW1s the railroad regularly =
used as depot switchers, with the road diesels cut off and backed out separ=
ately, as the T-1 is doing.  An EMD switcher is visible farther over in the=
 coachyard, behind the T-1.  And to the right of the duplex is another Penn=
sy passenger train waiting to be shoved, round-end observation car first, i=
nto the depot in preparation for an eastbound departure.  I don't have read=
y access to Pennsy timetables of the era, so I can't even hazard a guess as=
 to what the various trains might be.  But they sure add a lot of interest =
to an otherwise fairly common scene of the DZ arriving from Denver.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Hol
>=20
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<div>Hol,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Thanks for sharing. As to the heavy weight equipment to the right,it's in 'B' yard. Looks like suburban open platforms to these old eyes. That would be correct for the time period as 'B' yard was primarily dinky operations. 'A' yard,behind the signal bridge,was for through equipment and 'C' yard to the right of 'B' yard was used for head end cars,etc.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">What strikes me is the haze in the air,as late as '49-'50. Good old king coal. I'm slowly tying the 1910-12 railroad massive response to Chicagos demand for the the railroads to electrify into a piece on the Q's Chicago freight houses and another on Western Ave operations. Huge amounts of railroad traffic data in that monstrous volume.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I'm looking for photos of both subjects from group members.<br><br>Leo Phillipp</div><div><br>On Jun 29, 2016, at 6:06 PM, Michael Woodruff <a href="mailto:mwoodruff54@gmail.com">mwoodruff54@gmail.com</a> [CBQ] &lt;<a href="mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com">CBQ@yahoogroups.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>


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      <p></p><div dir="ltr">Hol:<div><br></div><div>I'll take a wild guess as to the identity of the Pennsy train with the obs car - it could be the South Wind.&nbsp; Most of the Pennsy's "Blue Ribbon Fleet" trains to the east were afternoon departures from Chicago, but the South Wind left around 9:30 AM IIRC.<div><br></div><div>msw</div><div>largofl</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Hol Wagner <a href="mailto:holpennywagner@msn.com">holpennywagner@msn.com</a> [CBQ] <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com" target="_blank">CBQ@yahoogroups.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;">


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<p>I recently acquired this circa 1949-50 photo on eBay -- as a poor quality B&amp;W 35mm slide -- and after considerable clean-up effort, here is the rather interesting result.&nbsp; Photographed from Chicago's Roosevelt Road viaduct, looking south, Burlington train
 No. 10, the overnight <em>Denver Zephyr</em>, is approaching Union Station behind a back-to-back set of E5 A-units.&nbsp; Due to arrive at 8:35 a.m., this day's train has the usual articulated consist amplified with three conventional pre-war lightweight cars --
 a dining car ('Silver Pheasant' or 'Silver Spoon,' as 'Silver Inn' had already been destroyed in the&nbsp;April 1946 Naperville collision)&nbsp;and two chair cars --&nbsp;inserted immediately behind the units with the diner's kitchen up against the nose of the trailing unit.&nbsp;
 A variety of heavyweight passenger cars&nbsp;is visible in the 14th Street coachyard to the right of the train.&nbsp; And a&nbsp;departing heavyweight train can be seen in the distance on the track adjacent to the
<em>DZ</em>, likely a Q train also, and if No. 10 is on time it must by a suburban dinky, as no intercity trains were scheduled out before the
<em>Morning Zephyr's&nbsp;</em>8:45 a.m. departure.</p>
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<p>There is considerably more of interest on the left side of the scene, where the big Pennsy coachyard was located.&nbsp; In the left foreground is&nbsp;one of the&nbsp;rather ungainly&nbsp;streamlined T-1 4-4-4-4 duplex locomotives turned out for the Pennsy by Baldwin in 1945-46.&nbsp;
 It has undoubtedly brought a passenger train in from Fort Wayne, Ind., and is now backing from the depot to the railroad's locomotive servicing facilities.&nbsp; Back in the coachyard behind the T-1, directly below the counterweights of the Chicago River bascule
 bridge, sits a pair of Baldwin <span>DR-6-4-2000 </span>sharknose passenger units delivered to the Pennsy in 1948.&nbsp; That they are coupled to a train may indicate that they have previously backed that train from the depot to the coachyard rather than having
 it pulled by one of the little SW1s the railroad regularly used as depot switchers, with the road diesels cut off and backed out separately, as the T-1 is doing.&nbsp; An EMD switcher is visible farther over in the coachyard, behind the T-1.&nbsp; And to the right of
 the duplex is another Pennsy passenger train waiting to be shoved, round-end observation car first, into the depot in preparation for an eastbound departure.&nbsp; I don't have ready access to Pennsy timetables of the era, so I can't even hazard a guess as to what
 the various trains might be.&nbsp; But they sure add a lot of interest to an otherwise fairly common scene of the
<em>DZ</em> arriving from Denver.</p>
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