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[174.22.111.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id e2sm20594782igi.12.2014.07.09.18.53.35 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 09 Jul 2014 18:53:36 -0700 (PDT) References: <0118AC48-B986-4C63-9685-E24D2F60CA3E@gmail.com> <53BD6EE5.3010208@sbcglobal.net> <2A54FF9E-6767-4C4B-98D4-5F72B3A6C3F6@gmail.com> <53BDE63B.8070205@sbcglobal.net> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11D257) In-Reply-To: <53BDE63B.8070205@sbcglobal.net> Message-Id: <2FBDCE06-B662-4A68-AE21-37ADAA9AF06E@gmail.com> To: "CBQ@yahoogroups.com" X-Originating-IP: 209.85.223.181 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 X-Original-From: Jim Goodin From: "Jim Goodin jbgoodin225@gmail.com [CBQ]" X-Yahoo-Profile: trains522 Sender: CBQ@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list CBQ@yahoogroups.com; contact CBQ-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list CBQ@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:53:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [CBQ] Burlington Truck Lines Help Request Reply-To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email-tradh-m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-89C11175-14B9-4996-85CC-0391F34C257B" --Apple-Mail-89C11175-14B9-4996-85CC-0391F34C257B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bill, I have looked extensively at Hank's website. I have some of them company m= agazines. I have also taken a trip to the American Truck Historical Society's library= . I picked up a couple photo and other info on the BTL. Most of their col= lection is from non railroad related commercial carriers. Jim Sent from my iPad > On Jul 9, 2014, at 8:02 PM, "Bill Hirt whirt@sbcglobal.net [CBQ]" wrote: >=20 > Jim, >=20 > No Trailers and related Equipment are listed in the 1960 Equipment Guide.= The 1968 Guide which Rupert referred to is the first one I have had access= which does. I've attached it to this message. I've also attached the 1969 = summary. >=20 > I have a July 1963 ORER. The CB&Q did not have a listing for Trailers and= Containers. The next ORER I have is July 1965. It does have a Burlington l= isting. I've attached it. >=20 > Doing a quick Internet search, I found the following Burlington Truck Lin= e photos: >=20 > >=20 > A 1964 image. The trailer is a refrigerated van that does show up in the = ORER. >=20 > >=20 > Another circa 1964 image. You can make out a few of trailer numbers. Trai= ler 5905 is not shown in either the ORER or the Equipment Summaries. Traile= r 6802 is shown in the ORER and Equipment Summaries. The next trailer to th= e left looks like it begins with a 5, but the quality is not good enough to= be sure. >=20 > >=20 > This one seems to be a 1960 International Harvester publicity photo. Trai= ler 5899 is not shown in the ORER or Equipment Summaries.=20 >=20 > Bill Hirt >=20 >=20 >> On 7/9/2014 4:39 PM, Jim Goodin jbgoodin225@gmail.com [CBQ] wrote: >> Hi Bill, >>=20 >> Thanks for that info. Given what I have seen, the CBQZ would cover dry = vans, the BMRZ would cover refrigerated trailers and the CBQU would cover c= ontainers. I am not sure about the RQZZ designation though. Might be a co= ntainer chassis? >>=20 >> Anything with a Z is typically a trailer while U classifies a container.= Interestingly it still applies to equipment today. I am not sure what ye= ar the Z and U designations began. My guess would be early 60's. Most 195= 0's and earlier photo show 3 or 4 digit trailer numbers without any letters= . >>=20 >> Jim >>=20 >> Sent from my iPad >>=20 >> On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, "Bill Hirt whirt@sbcglobal.net [CBQ]" wrote: >>=20 >>>=20=20 >>> Rupert, >>>=20 >>> I am not sure the listing in the ORER shows all, most or even any of th= e=20 >>> equipment assigned that was owned/leased by Burlington Truck Lines. In= =20 >>> working on the wheel reports of the 1960s, there are distinct reporting= =20 >>> marks. CBQZ, BRMZ, CBQU, and RQZZ with it's roster of equipment are=20 >>> shown in the ORER. BTL equipment I've found is not shown in the ORER. I= =20 >>> also have access to the Ownership of Equipment books and they do not=20 >>> show the BTL reporting mark trailers/flatbeds. >>>=20 >>> Bill Hirt >>>=20 >>> On 7/8/2014 10:09 PM, 'Rupert & Maureen' gamlenz@ihug.co.nz [CBQ] wrote= : >>> > Jim >>> > >>> > Attached is a list of magazine references relating to BTL. Let me kno= w if >>> > you want copies of anything. Also I can send you scans of - >>> > four page article from Railway Age August 1937 entitled "Burlington T= rucks >>> > Make their Schedules Safely", >>> > July 1964 and July 1968 ORER pages for BTL >>> > 1940 diagrammatic map of BT truck operations >>> > Model Railroading February 1988 photos of trailers >>> > Series of articles from Burlington Bulletin 1966-8 >>> > 1968 Ownership, Age & Condition report >>> > >>> > I also have some material from Don Halffield. >>> > >>> > Regards >>> > >>> > Rupert >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com] >>> > Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2014 1:24 a.m. >>> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com >>> > Subject: [CBQ] Burlington Truck Lines Help Request >>> > >>> > Hi Everyone, >>> > >>> > I will be giving a clinic on the Burlington Truck Lines at this fall'= s >>> > annual meet in Rock Island. It will cover some history dating back in= to the >>> > 1930's, known equipment roster and modeling. >>> > >>> > While I can cover the basics, I must confess that BTL information is = very >>> > hard to come by. I'm asking for any assistance in locating rosters, c= ompany >>> > magazines(BTL Dispatch) and especially photos. Photos of trucks, trai= lers >>> > terminals and freight houses would be helpful. Don't overlook backgro= und >>> > scenes in your photos as I've found a lot of info where you might lea= st >>> > expect it. I would appreciate any help in locating any additional >>> > information and would be happy to pay for any reproduction costs. >>> > >>> > Thank you, >>> > >>> > Jim Goodin >>> > Blue Grass, IA >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------ >>> > Posted by: Jim Goodin >>> > ------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Yahoo Groups Links >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------ >>> > >>> > Yahoo Groups Links >>> > >>> > >>> > >=20 >=20 > > > --Apple-Mail-89C11175-14B9-4996-85CC-0391F34C257B Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi Bill,

I have looked extensively at Hank's website.  I have some of them company magazines.

I have also taken a trip to the American Truck Historical Society's library.  I picked up a couple photo and other info on the BTL.  Most of their collection is from non railroad related commercial carriers.

Jim

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 9, 2014, at 8:02 PM, "Bill Hirt whirt@sbcglobal.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Jim,

No Trailers and related Equipment are listed in the 1960 Equipment Guide. The 1968 Guide which Rupert referred to is the first one I have had access which does. I've attached it to this message. I've also attached the 1969 summary.

I have a July 1963 ORER. The CB&Q did not have a listing for Trailers and Containers. The next ORER I have is July 1965. It does have a Burlington listing. I've attached it.

Doing a quick Internet search, I found the following Burlington Truck Line photos:

<http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/donq/burlington_truck_lines_int_dcof405.html>

A 1964 image. The trailer is a refrigerated van that does show up in the ORER.

<http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/t_brad_dunkin/2009/08-25/file0005.jpg>

Another circa 1964 image. You can make out a few of trailer numbers. Trailer 5905 is not shown in either the ORER or the Equipment Summaries. Trailer 6802 is shown in the ORER and Equipment Summaries. The next trailer to the left looks like it begins with a 5, but the quality is not good enough to be sure.

<http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/Content.aspx?dsNav=N:4294963828-4294955414&dsRecordDetails=R:IM84005>

This one seems to be a 1960 International Harvester publicity photo. Trailer 5899 is not shown in the ORER or Equipment Summaries.

Bill Hirt


On 7/9/2014 4:39 PM, Jim Goodin jbgoodin225@gmail.com [CBQ] wrote:
Hi Bill,

Thanks for that info.  Given what I have seen, the CBQZ would cover dry vans, the BMRZ would cover refrigerated trailers and the CBQU would cover containers.  I am not sure about the RQZZ designation though.  Might be a container chassis?

Anything with a Z is typically a trailer while U classifies a container.  Interestingly it still applies to equipment today.  I am not sure what year the Z and U designations began.  My guess would be early 60's.  Most 1950's and earlier photo show 3 or 4 digit trailer numbers without any letters.

Jim

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 9, 2014, at 11:33 AM, "Bill Hirt whirt@sbcglobal.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Rupert,

I am not sure the listing in the ORER shows all, most or even any of the
equipment assigned that was owned/leased by Burlington Truck Lines. In
working on the wheel reports of the 1960s, there are distinct reporting
marks. CBQZ, BRMZ, CBQU, and RQZZ with it's roster of equipment are
shown in the ORER. BTL equipment I've found is not shown in the ORER. I
also have access to the Ownership of Equipment books and they do not
show the BTL reporting mark trailers/flatbeds.

Bill Hirt

On 7/8/2014 10:09 PM, 'Rupert & Maureen' gamlenz@ihug.co.nz [CBQ] wrote:
> Jim
>
> Attached is a list of magazine references relating to BTL. Let me know if
> you want copies of anything. Also I can send you scans of -
> four page article from Railway Age August 1937 entitled "Burlington Trucks
> Make their Schedules Safely",
> July 1964 and July 1968 ORER pages for BTL
> 1940 diagrammatic map of BT truck operations
> Model Railroading February 1988 photos of trailers
> Series of articles from Burlington Bulletin 1966-8
> 1968 Ownership, Age & Condition report
>
> I also have some material from Don Halffield.
>
> Regards
>
> Rupert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2014 1:24 a.m.
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [CBQ] Burlington Truck Lines Help Request
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I will be giving a clinic on the Burlington Truck Lines at this fall's
> annual meet in Rock Island. It will cover some history dating back into the
> 1930's, known equipment roster and modeling.
>
> While I can cover the basics, I must confess that BTL information is very
> hard to come by. I'm asking for any assistance in locating rosters, company
> magazines(BTL Dispatch) and especially photos. Photos of trucks, trailers
> terminals and freight houses would be helpful. Don't overlook background
> scenes in your photos as I've found a lot of info where you might least
> expect it. I would appreciate any help in locating any additional
> information and would be happy to pay for any reproduction costs.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jim Goodin
> Blue Grass, IA
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
> Posted by: Jim Goodin <jbgoodin225@gmail.com>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo Groups Links
>
>
>


<CB&Q 1968 Equipment List - Containers Chassis and Bogies.pdf>
<July 1965 ORER - Burlington Containers Chassis and Bogies.pdf>
<CB&Q 1969 Equipment List - Containers Chassis and Trailers.pdf>


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