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Re: [CBQ] The Q was planning on going further west

Subject: Re: [CBQ] The Q was planning on going further west
From: "James Sandrin" <>
Date: Mon, 1 May 2023 08:01:35 -0600
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Building West: There were several options that Perkins considered and actually had preliminary surveys  done.  The route Rupert mentioned was ultimately used by David Moffat as the route of his Denver, Northwestern and Pacific (usually referred to today as the D&SL). Another was to build west from Central Wyoming over South Pass to the Great Salt Lake area, a route used in part by the US Steel corporation to connect with the Union Pacific north of Rock Springs to deliver Iron ore to Geneva, Utah. The third option as mentioned in Overton's "Burlington Route" was to acquire the bankrupt Oregon Short Line, which would have required a similar line over South Pass to Granger, Wyoming. The final option actually forced the hand of the Northern Pacific to grant trackage and terminal rights to the Q in the Billings area, rather than see the Q build west to the mineral fields of Central Montana, and ultimately beyond to the Columbia River basin.

Great Stuff for speculation.  Jim Sandrin

On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 at 20:04, Ken Martin via <> wrote:
I don’t know of any planned building but I am sure rumors abounded.

However there are two reports of the Q thinkiing of buying other roads.

From “Burlington Route” by Richard Overton:

Page 230 - When the UP went bankrupt in 1893 Perkins suggested buying the Oregon Short Line. This would have necessitated building a line from Cheyenne to Granger, WY.
In the end the CB&Q board declined to take the risk.

Page 234 - In 1900 Gen. Palmer offered to sell the Rio Grand Western (Grand Junction to Salt Lake) to the Q. 
This would tie with the C&S/Colorado Midland for a through line to Salt Lake.
However nothing came of this.

It is interesting to think about what "might have been" if they had bought them. 
In one case they would have a line to the Northwest and in the other case they might have built a line to the SF Bay area (think Western Pacific).

Ken Martin

On Apr 30, 2023, at 10:38 AM, Tristan <> wrote:


I hate to dig this thread up but I wanted to revisit this thread considering I took down my layout this fall and have always been interested in mountain railroading.  Would anyone want to speculate what a proposed route might have taken past Pueblo or Cheyenne like Hol mentioned if the CB&Q had continued West?


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