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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2022 02:11:32 +0000 (UTC)
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Greeting everyone,

Form 808 – Preliminary analysis

 

The form 808 was an AT&SF (Conductors Train Record) standard form and filled in by an individual conductor. Form 808 was a conductor's log book.  Being the boss of a train, in that book he recorded every significant event or item of trip importance, usually carried in his overall's hip pocket.

 

Mr HB Decker was employed as a “Joint Track Train man”; he hired out as a brakeman (seniority date: Nov. 1916) and was promoted to conductor (seniority date: Mar. 1921). By 1936 he had insufficient seniority to bid for passenger trains but could successfully bid to “plum” freights.

 

The Joint Track was in fact the AT&SF Denver Division's Denver District (Pueblo to Denver, CO) and commonly known locally as the “Joint Line”. This was operated under successive Joint Operating Agreements (from Aug. 1, 1899) “JOAs” whereby the C&S (from 1907 a subsidiary of the CB&Q) was a tenant of the AT&SF. The unique feature of the JOAs was that the line was operated as single economic entity favouring neither the AT&SF nor the C&S. The advantages to both railroads was so powerful that the JOAs were effective right up to the AT&SF and BN 1995.

Under the JOAs from day one, the AT&SF and the C&S pooled their crews that had been on their books and formed a common call board, ranked by seniority. As men left the service pools there were replaced by fresh hires; Joint Line Enginemen and Joint Track Trainmen.

Each railroad contributed equipment which was used as available; thus AT&SF equipment could be assigned to C&S train, and vice versa.

 

From at least Nov. 1918 the Joint Line operated both scheduled passenger and freight trains. If there was insufficient traffic the train did not run; if there was significant traffic multiple sections or even unscheduled Extras were run.

In 1937, the scheduled trains were

 AT&SF                  passenger             two trains each way

C&S                        passenger           two trains each way

AT&SF                   freight                  two trains each way (31/36, 41/46)

C&S                        freight                 two trains each way (75/76, 73/74)

AT&SF                   way freight            one train, one direction each day, daily except Sunday (97/98)

 

It is likely that with the US economy building after the Great Depression that Mr Decker, along with other railroad crews, was finding more work.

 

Please find attached, for those interested, a summary of trains crewed by Mr Decker. Not shown on the summary, according to minutae of the Train Record, Mr Decker delivered everything  except babies.

Mark


On Friday, 25 February 2022, 09:01:23 am ACDT, Julian Erceg via groups.io <grbfrog=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Thank you very much!  That explains everything for me.

Julian
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