| Further clarification on the diner. Circa ‘57, two remodeled diner/ lounges- 172 and 172 ( in aluminum paint)…..ran the distance Chgo-Twin Cities. B/4 ‘57, when trains were combined, diner/lounges 306/307 were used running Chgo-Savanna/Savanna -Chicago and Twin Cities/North LaCrosse and return. Of course, there could be a number of exceptions given food car availability……like 180 series diners or pre-war Budd diners….but no photos surfaced so far. There IS a photo of a pre-war Budd Obs/diner/parlor on a ‘54 consist in the Minneapolis car wash….that is an exception!! On Jan 28, 2022, at 9:37 PM, domelinerdude via groups.io <domelinerdude=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Jim,
In 2007, I asked a similar question to the BRHS members about the consist of the combined "Blackhawk" "Mainstreeter" and "Western Star". Mr. T. Shneid provided me with this response in 2007:
> "In GENERAL terms cars lined up as follows :
> Head end - 1 NP baggage/express, 2 GN -baggage/express, Q
baggage/express and full RPO ( Havelock baggage cars, troop express
cars, HW baggage cars - it varied - RPO was 6-window version in
aluminum paint).
>
> Following HE - SSS modernized coach, possibly a Budd coach (pre
war version), and/or a HW 6100 series coach , 2 Budd sleepers (10/6
and 6/4/6), HW 170 series diner(in aluminum paint), following--NP
coach and sleeper (duplex) -- GN coach and 2 sleepers (16/4 duplex
and 8/6/4 duplex).
> Foreign road HE showed up on occasion (NYC for one) and tour
sleepers could be anything in summer - whatever Pullman had in the
pool.
> Three motors - at least ( E5s,E7s, E8s, and E9s) This train ran
at near Zephyr speed between stations. Significant time was spent
working mail and express in several stations.
> That is my general recollection. There were many variations
depending on traffic and equipment available. Sometimes the NP and
GN head end cars were HW. I'm sure there were many a day when 2
sections were required. In that case more NP and GN coaches and
sleepers were utilized along with the GN Obs/Lge. This a great Q
train to model because it was always fluid in consist - and colorful."
I hope this helps.
Hubert
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