BRHSLIST
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [CBQ] Burlington Route &Frisco

To: CBQ@groups.io
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Burlington Route &Frisco
From: "William Hirt" <whirt@fastmail.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2021 10:25:55 -0600
Delivered-to: unknown
Delivered-to: archives@nauer.org
Delivered-to: mailing list CBQ@groups.io
Dkim-signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=groups.io; q=dns/txt; s=20140610; t=1611505546; bh=HpWKLDpoCOIIKCTNzlg0rOgA4dKevlZZH66US0FIl3E=; h=Content-Type:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To; b=Js03DqogDZtxBjxLQbU4FuiDtyQaF4jEo0L6Co7LjAQOZmCibvb1eLfQBxXIxftHahI MVv96SV5RQ0SkO6aKUBb6VNQQGf97y91lSfxfC57KKuFDb5HoGHmhEa/Fj8DFIzMKq70d EUDtSqkmWbLj1sR/NaB5FzBlYZnLTyxksZg=
In-reply-to: <FPIx.1611497863055256698.iMhF@groups.io>
List-id: <CBQ.groups.io>
List-unsubscribe: <https://groups.io/g/CBQ/unsub>
Mailing-list: list CBQ@groups.io; contact CBQ+owner@groups.io
References: <FPIx.1611497863055256698.iMhF@groups.io>
Reply-to: CBQ@groups.io
Sender: CBQ@groups.io
User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1
Brian,

You have to think about the gateways that would be ways to route traffic to the Frisco - Kansas City and St. Louis. Also the Paducah gateway was important. If it was moving beyond the Q via the NC&StL and L&N, a good part of it went via Paducah if possible.
As for St. Louis, based on the actual train consists I've seen from the 
early-mid 1960s, the preferred move out of St. Louis was for east and 
southeast traffic via B&O, L&N, and Southern. That is not to say that 
the Frisco received no traffic, but it was not a major partner.
The same for Kansas City. The Q had a hot connection to/from the Rock 
Island. The Q would have a switcher and crew waiting for the arrival of 
the priority freight from Chicago at Murray Yard. They would immediately 
tie on to their cut and make a run for the RI at Armourdale. The RI 
reciprocated. The Q interchanged with all of the other KC served 
railroads, but the Frisco had no special status.
Lou Menk became president of the Q in September 1965 coming from the 
Frisco. He began the tie up with the Frisco by having the Q buy Frisco 
stock. This is led to problems with the Interstate Commerce Commission 
which ordered the Q to divest their Frisco stock. Menk left the Q after 
a year, so it unclear he had any real effect of traffic patterns in 
diverting traffic to the Frisco. Back then shippers had a lot of control 
of how their load was routed and some had favorite railroads they would 
be sure to give part of their business to.
As you know, Menk continued the pursuit of the Frisco when he ran BN. If 
you want to read the view of someone who has high up in BN management at 
time of the BN-Frisco merger, get Earl Currie's book "BN - Frisco - A 
Tough Merger". He gives both the good and bad.
Bill Hirt

On 1/24/2021 8:17 AM, bdurham260 via groups.io wrote:
Did the Burlington Route interact much with the Frisco?  I know the BN 
merged with the Frisco, but what was the interaction from between 
1945-1965?
Thank you,

Brian Durham



-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group.
View/Reply Online (#61248): https://groups.io/g/CBQ/message/61248
Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/80078349/703214
Group Owner: CBQ+owner@groups.io
Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/CBQ/leave/1544929/691670059/xyzzy 
[archives@nauer.org]
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-



<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>