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Re: [CBQ] The Denver Road herald - but not the one you're most familiar

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Thread-topic: [CBQ] The Denver Road herald - but not the one you're most familiar with...
Here's a broader view of the FW&D stock car, with the herald more legible, also my caption for the photo from my C&S First Ten Years manuscript.  The photos were taken at the Griffin Wheel Works plant along the South Park dual gauge trackage in southwest Denver.  Also attached is a view of one of the 1904 C&S stock cars with an older car, and the caption for that photo.

FW&D Stock Car 3072, Denver, 1906, L.C. McClure photo, DPLWHD coll. No. MCC-3845 

Car wheels are one of the more unusual non-livestock commodities transported in stock cars, and FW&D 3072 is typical of cars used in this service when they weren’t needed for hauling cattle, sheep or pigs.  This view is enlarged from a portion of the top photograph, opposite.  American Car & Foundry Company turned out 200 such cars – 3001-3200 – for the “Denver” in early 1903, wearing a rectangular “The Denver Road” herald like the C&S “The Colorado Road” version and nearly identical to cars 11000-11299 built for the C&S in 1904. – L.C. McClure photo, Denver Public Library Western History collection No. MCC-3845 


C&S Stock Cars 11148, 1512, Western Packing Co., c. 1907, Hol Wagner coll. 

Three-hundred stock cars, numbered 11000-11299, measuring 36 feet 6 inches long inside and having a 60,000-pound capacity, were delivered to the C&S by American Car & Foundry Company between May and July 1904 at a cost of $637.76 apiece.  They joined 100 similar cars, 1509-1608, turned out by the same builder in 1902, as the only modern stock cars on the roster, the so-called “yellow board” cars of the 1890s being rapidly retired, many of them converted into flatcars.  That the service in which these cars labored was tough on them is demonstrated by this photo of one car from each group – 11148 at left and 1512 at right – beside the Western Packing Company plant in the Denver Union Stockyards around 1907.  The newer 11148 has a missing rooftop door and the uppermost board on the left half of the car is a plain red-painted replacement without the top half of the Colorado & Southern lettering stenciled on it.  The 1512, two years older, is also missing a rooftop door and another is held on by just one hinge.  And though they are in the stockyards, the two cars have not been carrying cattle or sheep but coal; the 11148 wears a placard next to “The Colorado Road” emblem that indicates it is in Victor Fuel Company coal service from southern Colorado, delivering fuel for the boilers of the packing plant. – Author’s collection 


Hol

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of HOL WAGNER <holpennywagner@msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 7:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] The Denver Road herald - but not the one you're most familiar with...
 
Jeff:

The rectangular Denver Road herald was used from 1899 to 1906 and was a copy of the Colorado Road herald being used by the C&S.  See scans of C&S version.

And while on the subject of the Denver Road herald, it bothers me that BNSF, a railroad based in Fort Worth, left the Denver Road herald off their heritage units, though they earlier used the herald on heritage covered hoppers.  They used the C&S "button" herald on both the hoppers and the diesels.  Ironic, as the FW&D corporately lasted a year longer than the C&S before being merged out of existence.

Hol


From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> on behalf of Jeff Ford <sectioncar@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 8:12 PM
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Subject: [CBQ] The Denver Road herald - but not the one you're most familiar with...
 
Howdy gang,

Hope you're doing well.  I'm looking for clear views of the round and rectangular "The Denver Road" heralds as used on rolling stock by the FW&DC, prior to their adoption of the Burlington "block." This isn't to be confused with the familiar version that was widely used in print.  

Attached is a blurry enlargement of one of the rectangular variety.  This is a detail of a photo from the DPL Western History Collection. 

Any info you can provide would be appreciated, especially with regard to time frames. 

Thanks,
-Jeff Ford
Sanger, TX
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Attachment: FW&D Stock Car 3072, Denver, 1906, L.C. McClure photo, DPLWHD coll. No. MCC-3845.jpg
Description: FW&D Stock Car 3072, Denver, 1906, L.C. McClure photo, DPLWHD coll. No. MCC-3845.jpg

Attachment: C&S Stock Cars 11148, 1512, Western Packing Co., c. 1907, Hol Wagner coll..jpg
Description: C&S Stock Cars 11148, 1512, Western Packing Co., c. 1907, Hol Wagner coll..jpg

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