Thanks, Phil. IRM has 204738, and the color photo taken recently has a residue of mineral red paint. Since it was built in 1936, I seriously doubt that it was originally
painted black, despite the photo caption in BB#27. I’ve attached what may be a builder’s photo, and the car in this photo doesn’t appear to have fresh black paint. Black in 1952 doesn’t mean black in 1936.
I based the suggestion that the journal box lids were silver because of the lightness of the lids in the black and white photo with a lub date of 5-53, and the
knowledge that cars with solid bearing that were converted to roller bearings were typically painted silver as visible indication of the conversion because the roller bearings were hidden behind the journal box lid. I’m not convinced that a car built in 1944
automatically got roller bearings. If you look carefully at the photo of 204740 in front of the MOW bunk car (or whatever it was) you’ll see a repack date of 1948. All cars with roller bearings have lub stencils, not repack stencils. Repack indicated solid
bearings and lub indicates roller bearings.
I think it’s risky to extrapolate colors from black and white images, but just because a later color image surfaces from a later date, it’s also risky to extrapolate
backwards.
I’ll stand on 204740 being painted mineral red on all surfaces except for the silver journal box lids in 1953 until somebody produces a photo proving otherwise.
Nelson Moyer
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] New Scale Car Photos from Phil Weibler
If'n you guys had asked these questions 65 or 70 years ago I would have taken better notes.
My vote on the 204740 would be boxcar red - mineral red. Why does anyone think the journal box covers are silver? This car was probably built with roller bearings, but the old type that
ran in a big journal box full of oil. An over-zealous carman could pour several gallons of oil into those boxes and mess up the weight calibration on the car.
Scale test car 204738 is black. This photo is from Quincy, Illinois, in the summer of 1952.
(All scans that I post are made from my original negatives and I retain all rights to the images. Thank you)
Which older style car is at IRM??? PAW
Since asking my question about scale car color in 1953, I’ve had a chance to study the photos Phil posted yesterday. All three photos of CB&Q 204740 were taken in
Quincy, IL in September 1953, and they are especially helpful because one shows the right side, one shows the left side, and one shows a close-up of the maintenance placard.
No end photo was taken at the same time. All other available photos show only the left side of the cars. Decals were early Railroad Roman and the herald was the white stencil version. The paint appears to be mineral red or Omaha orange on all surfaces. The
calibration is KC 5.11.53 and the lub date is HV 4.4.53. The recalibration data are stenciled on the right car side on a very dark, probably black, paint patch, and the remainder of the car is clearly not black The scale placard is mounted at the same location
on the left side of the car. The lub date is stenciled above the right foot hole on the left side and to the left of the foot hold on the right side. This car had Timken roller bearing journals, though the maintenance placard still refers to repacking. The
word SEALED is stenciled under Weight 800000LBS on both sides of the car in a block stencil font. The foot recess on the sides appear black in the photo due to shadow, and are most likely painted the same color as the car body. Chalk marks are evident at several
locations on both sides of the car. Journal box door covers are painted silver. There is no indication that the grab irons or rail was painted another color.
Nobody had responded with color information, so maybe Phil remembers what color these cars were if he took the picture? The car in these photos is definitely not
black, so that leaves mineral red or Omaha orange. MOW equipment on Lines East were painted Omaha orange beginning in 1948, so one would think by 1953 204740 could have been repainted. However, the lettering for the reporting marks is the early Q Railroad
Roman with periods, suggesting an earlier paint color which could only have been mineral red. The block SEALED was probably added later without repainting the car. Other evidence supporting mineral red is the white dashed line herald. Finally, cars painted
Omaha orange had black lettering, and this car has white lettering. I believe that CB&Q 204740 was wearing mineral red paint at the time this photo was taken. I would love to hear from anyone who can confirm or refute my conclusion.
I have already painted and decaled my car in the black and yellow scheme based upon the incomplete information I had at the time. I’m so convinced the 204740 was
mineral red in my modeling year of 1953 that I’m going to strip the paint and start over. I told Dave I’d do a Zephyr article on the scale car, but now he’s going to have to wait until I get around to it. Actually, I’m glad this happened in a way, because
I hate the black and yellow scheme.
It is unfortunate that these photos weren’t available when the decals were designed, as they include squared side shots of both sides of the car and the lettering
is very sharp. If scale car decals are ever reprinted, I hope that this lettering will be included. If there are other scale car photos out here that have not been shared, now would be a good time to do so.
Nelson Moyer
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