Re: [CBQ] H&StJ Engine #35 "General Grant" - Later CB&Q #49 - Looking for Information

["Archie Hayden" <klinerarch@charter.net>]

Charlie,  Where did you find that image of General Grant?  It appears to be from an old stereo optican card.  I don't believe it is the same loco that 35 evolved from.

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From: "Charlie Vlk"

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] H&StJ Engine #35 "General Grant" - Later CB&Q #49 - Looking for Information

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According to the rosters I have the Gen. Grant #35 was built by the H&StJ in 1865. 

In 1878 #35 (no name) is listed as having 48” drivers so it may have been rebuilt or gone by then as the photo attached shows a normally proportioned 4-4-0.   The Gen. Grant may not have made it to the CB&Q.

Charlie

 

From: CBQ@groups.io <CBQ@groups.io> On Behalf Of Louis Zadnichek via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2019 12:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [CBQ] H&StJ Engine #35 "General Grant" - Later CB&Q #49 - Looking for Information

 

November 14, 2019

 

Peter - CB&Q 35 now on display at the Pattee House Museum in St. Joseph, MO, is NOT the same locomotive that you're talking about, H&StJ's General Grant. 

 

According to Steam Locomotives Of The Burlington Route by Bernard Corbin and William Kerka (copies can usually be easily found on eBay), CB&Q 35 was originally built at the Aurora, IL, Shops for the H&StJ in 1892 as their No. 66.  It was a Class A-2 4-4-0 type and was renumbered H&StJ 666 in 1898, then became CB&Q 359 in 1904.  It was rebuilt at the Denver, CO, Shops in June 1932 for exhibition at the Century Of Progress and lettered B&MR 35 (for Burlington & Missouri River RR). Thereafter, 35 became one of the CB&Q's two official exhibition locomotives and was displayed throughout the system with the replica H&StJ mail car for many years up until its donation to the Pattee House Museum in St. Joseph. I've attached an image of 35 and its mail car taken while on display at LaGrange, IL,  during September 1954.

 

Perhaps, some one else on this List can tell us more about the H&StJ General Grant. Best Regards - Louis

 

Louis Zadnichek II

Fairhope, AL

 

 

 

In a message dated 11/14/2019 11:57:28 AM Central Standard Time, kmartin537=surewest.net@groups.io writes:

 

Peter,

 

As Pete said it is at the Pattee house museum in St. Joseph.

 

Picture below.

 

Ken Martin

 

 

On Nov 13, 2019, at 11:38 PM, owl_man_2000 via Groups.Io <owl_man_2000=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

 

I am looking for history on Hannibal & St. Joseph Railroad Engine 35, the “General Grant”, built in 1865, which I understand was the first U.S. Railway Post Office? It ran on the H&StJ, a subsidiary of CB&Q. The engine later was renumbered #635 in 1898 and in 1904 became CB&Q Engine #49. The engine did a good-will tour in the late 1930s with the first mail car. What was it's final disposition? Did the engine survive? Is it kept anywhere that it can be seen?

 

Peter S. Weber
Great Grandson of CB&Q Engineer (#1307)

 

 

 

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