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From: "'Patrick Homan' homanfamily@fuse.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:20:35 -0500
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Hol,
            Thanks, I am looking forward to seeing the Denver Road information
                                                            Pat
 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Power Leased to CB&Q-5d
 


Hol,
  This is kind of on the same subject line, but I am looking for good side (R&L) shots of the O-4 mikes with good detail of the cab and tender lettering.
I need tender data usually found on the end of the tender. I am bashing a Aster live steam light mike into a Q heavy mike. Lots of fun,
Anything you have in this area greatly appreciated.
Noel
On 2/9/2015 6:35 PM, Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ] wrote:
 
Wow!  I sure didn't proofread the message below before hitting Send.  Corrections shown in red.
 
Hol
 

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 16:28:06 -0700
Subject: RE: [CBQ] C&S Power Leased to CB&Q-5d

 
Pat:
 
Good to hear that somebody is modeling the Denver; I had about given up hope that anyone was or ever would be!  As for Q and C&S power leased to the FW&D (and/or B-RI/Joint Texas Division), I do have a few photos, some of which will be posted in the coming days.  And I'll post a list of Q power leased to the C&S and FW&D, just as I did for C&S power leased to the Q.  But bear in mind that some of the Q passenger power leased to the C&S actually ran through on the Denver, and some that was leased to the Denver ran through on the C&S.  Details to come.
 
Hol
 

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 16:47:42 -0500
Subject: Re: [CBQ] C&S Power Leased to CB&Q-5d

 
Hol,
    Do you have any photos of either Q locomotives or C&S locomotives leased to the FW&D.  In your book, The Colorado Road  you make a brief mention of the Q’s B-1 and the C&S’s E-5s serving briefly during WWII.
I model the FW&D and would like to know if this can be documented.  Thank you.
                                                                                                                        Pat Homan
 
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 12:51 PM
Subject: [CBQ] C&S Power Leased to CB&Q-5d
 


 
 
 
Set out on a siding beside the mainline at Somonauk, Illinois, in October 1941, its main and eccentric rods removed and placed in the tender coal bunker for transport, C&S 803 is clearly being moved somewhere.  It was then assigned to the Chicago Division, which normally meant use up in the Twin Cities, but it would move to the Galesburg Division by the end of 1941, to this is likely the reason for its appearance in Somonauk.  It still has the large Sunbeam headlight that it carried when first assigned to the Q.
 
 
 
 
After its stint on the Galesburg Division the 803 moved on to the St. Joe Division and was photographed at North Kansas City on October 19, 1947.  Still there is the big Sunbeam headlight, though now without a visor.  And there's a rectangular fire hose box between the tender trucks in both views.
 
Strangely, though I have multiple views of all the other 800s in use on the Q, I have nothing showing the 804 while on lease.  A check of the Otto Perry photos at the Denver Public Library finds that Otto photographed the 804 in Denver during 1931, in between lease periods to the Q (http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/43074/rec/4) and again in 1948, shortly after its return from the LaCrosse Division (http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/43638/rec/8 and http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/43641/rec/5) but nothing of the engine on the Q.  Here's a link to a 1919 view by Otto that shows how the 800s looked in their early years, complete with rolltop tenders:  http://cdm16079.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15330coll22/id/43641/rec/5.
 
Two more quick views of C&S power on the Q.
 
 
 
 
I missed this one earlier when I was covering the Ten-Wheelers.  During 1929 C&S C-3H No. 326 was leased and assigned to the Chicago Division, where it was used in suburban service, outfitted with the huge turbo-generators that were then used to supply electricity to the open platform coaches of suburban trains.  This was at a time when the Q was looking to replace the K-2 Ten-Wheelers then being used in this service, and S-1 and S-2 Pacifics would ultimately be chosen as the replacements.  But apparently the Q decided to try at least this one heavier 4-6-0 to see if it could meet the demands of the service.  And obviously it did not.  This view finds the 326 departing Chicago Union Station with a dinky in the summer of 1929.
 
 
 
 
This one I can't explain.  It shows C&S F-3B heavy Pacific No. 371 -- an oil-burner -- taking water as it makes the eastbound station stop at Aurora, Ill., in November 1949.  Why was it on the Q?  I have no idea.  This was a time when steam was rapidly being phased out of mainline passenger service, and heavy Pacifics were either being retired or relegated to freight service, mostly out of Lincoln.  Why, then, was an oil-burning heavy Pacific at the helm of a scheduled passenger train (there's a baggage-RPO car behind the wooden baggage car) nearing Chicago?
 
Next, as time allows, I'll cover the Q locomotives leased to the C&S over the years. 
 
 
 



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