You confirmed my thought Hol...Thanks
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: HOL WAGNER <holpennywagner@msn.com>
To: CB&Q Group <cbq@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 9:14 am
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Silver Treasure
The book is wrong; only Silver Treasure came with a boiler, and it was intended for use on Kansas City to Omaha-Lincoln passenger trains which, in the postwar years, were being pulled by a single 1,800-hp shovelnose EA unit, bumped from the Twin and Denver Zephyrs by E5s. This lasted only a few years, however (the EA's being converted into booster units), and the boiler was removed from Silver Treasure. As noted, Argo and Olympus were intended for Nebraska Zephyr service, and that train was pulled by a single E-unit, equipped with a boiler, so there was no need for boilers in the baggage cars.
Hol
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: kc2bw@optonline.net
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:23:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [CBQ] Silver Treasure
Argo and Olymous had the boilers according to Randall's diagram book.
Gordon Smith
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:54 AM
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Silver Treasure
I believe the Silver Treasure was the only baggage car with a steam generator, so it was often used on short secondary trains. The Argo and Olympus were delivered for Nebraska Zephyr service, their names keeping with the convention of Greek Mythological nomenclature (but not gender compatible) of the ex-TCZ sets used in the service. These two cars were later reassigned to the 1936 DZ trains and kept their assignment when those trains were reequipped in 1956.
--- On Thu, 10/25/12, Ray Bedard <tczephyr@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Ray Bedard <tczephyr@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [CBQ] Silver Treasure
To: cbq@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 25, 2012, 5:10 AM
As noted in David Randall's "Passenger Car Library Volume 1", page 91, Silver Treasure was part of a 3 car order from Aug 1945 and delivered in Feb 1948. Number 908, Silver Treasure was a "spare car, probably used on the CZ". From the photos of Silver Treasure, and Argo from the same order, they do appear to be the same as the CZ baggage cars. Also, the CZ baggage cars, Silver Bear, Buffalo and Coyote did NOT have CZ on the letter board. What was on the letter board was "BURLINGTON".
Ray Bedard
San Jose CA
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
From: railbass@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:59:08 -0600
Subject: [CBQ] Silver Treasure
I just received a BWL unlettered CZ vistadome observation, which I am lettering Silver Penthouse with Microscale RH-108. In the instructions for the decal, there is a photo of a baggage car which looks identical to the CZ baggage cars, but it is lettered Burlington and Silver Treasure. It also indicates that it was not part of the original CZ order and did not have CZ lettering or CB&Q on the car ends. What was this car purchased for and how was it used? Did it operate in the CZ or in some other Zephyr consist? Was it identical to the CZ Budd cars?
- John Manion
Denver, CO
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