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Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 4630

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 4630
From: William Barber <clipperw@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 08:50:53 -0600
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Ken,

I haven't painted a locomotive in a long time and I realize that  
paint formulation has changed significantly in recent years, however,  
when I did paint locomotives with graphite smoke boxes and fireboxes,  
I mixed my own color using flat silver and flat black. The exact mix  
is not really important since photos of Q locomotives show that the  
color varied significantly in service. On prototype locomotives the  
graphite mix was put on while the locomotive was under steam and the  
surfaces were hot.  Fireboxes and smokeboxes on most locomotives were  
not lagged or insulated, so the surfaces were extremely hot. Graphite  
was often used because it could withstand the heat while many paints  
could not. It literally melted on the hot surfaces.

In service, the gray color often became darker due to dirt, soot and  
other particles as well as weather. In particular, soot from the  
stack blackened the top of the smokebox and streaked down the sides  
due to rain run off. To achieve the affect that I wanted, I would  
make my mix and paint the surfaces with the mixture using a small  
fine brush. It doesn't need to be extremely smooth, because the real  
applications weren't. Then, using flat black thinned, I add the soot  
and streaking effect, again using a small fine brush. Keep in mind,  
the real graphite application was done with a pipe connected to the  
supply and an air hose. Depending on the care used, over spray often  
occurred on adjacent surfaces.

While there are exceptions as evidenced by photographs, some things  
were not painted graphite. These include the headlight and it's  
mounting, Mars light if applied, bell and Elesco feedwater heater and  
usually it's exposed piping. The stack and most other surfaces on the  
smokebox were coated with graphite. Some heavy piping running along  
the outside of the firebox was also left black.

As you indicated, in the very late years, O5B #5632 and some C&S  
locomotives did have silver smokeboxes, possibly because the graphite  
process and equipment were no longer available. It didn't look right,  
but then, a chinese red cab roof didn't look right on #5632 either,  
but it happened. Another paint issue is the rods. Many RRs did not  
paint rods, but rather polished them. This made inspection for cracks  
easier. On the Q in later years, painted rods were common on Lines  
East power while polished rods were common on Lines West,  
particularly power assigned to Lincoln, NE. Maybe they had more  
manpower. More likely, it was shop pride and and the preference of  
the foreman. ICC required regular inspection of things like rods.  
Whether Lines East had to strip the rods for inspection, I have often  
wondered. Like most roads, in general, Q steam locomotives had a  
"family" appearance. Freshly shopped, they generally had the same  
paint scheme. The only significant exception was the herald on the  
tender. Only the big later power had the large colorful herald (They  
used flush rivets where the herald was located). This included  
hudsons, northerns and the 2-10-4s. All the rest had considerably  
smaller heralds on the tender. There are a number of photos available  
of Q power, including the mountains. I would look at some photos  
before painting.

Bill Barber
Gravois Mills, MO

On Jan 18, 2011, at 2:57 AM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Paint Question
> Posted by: "Kenneth Martin" kmartin537@surewest.net   kmartin537
> Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:11 pm (PST)
>
>
>
> I am in the process of painting a Q mountain. It' s the first steam I
> have painted in a while and was wondering what others have used to
> paint the smokebox and firebox. In the distant past I used straight
> silver but have come to realize that is only good for 5632 in railfan
> service. I now realize smokeboxes are darker than silver but not as
> dark as straight graphite.
>
> Ken Martin



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