All,
The Super C equipment was both passenger-equipped and non-passenger equipped
although the motive power was all geared for passenger train speeds.
NYC passenger-equipped Flex-Van flats (normally with MFVX reporting marks)
were very common on ATSF M&E trains up to and including 1969. So, it's
difficult to predict accurately who the owner of the flat was given no clear
evidence. Basing ownership of the flat on the markings of the van is
extremely risky, however. The vans were almost immediately separated from
their owning railroad's flat car and were mixed as the first available van
was loaded on an outbound van.
Therefore, it was very common to see CB&Q vans on MFVX flat cars and NYC
vans on CB&Q flats. My sense is that the MILW and IC flats and vans stayed
pretty close to home although both of these railroad's flats were
passenger-equipped and could have been interchanged with the NYC and PRR.
Regards,
Dave Lambert
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From: CBQ@yahoogroups.com [mailto:CBQ@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Russ
Strodtz
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 4:27 AM
To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [CBQ] flexivan
Both CB&Q and NYC Flexivan equipment was used in mail
service on CB&Q passenger trains before 1969.
Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: cbq_cgw
To: CBQ@yahoogroups. <mailto:CBQ%40yahoogroups.com> com
Sent: Friday, 16 November, 2007 20:49
Subject: [CBQ] flexivan
This last week I have been having discussions with a friend of mine
regarding the upcoming Walthers flexivan release. He's very
knowledgeable regarding inter-modal operations. I forwarded him a
couple past posts regarding CBQ flexivans that would be of interest to
him. He came across something interesting and I thought it was worth
posting here.
There is a photo in July 1969 Trains of ATSF's Super C departing
Chicago with the first mail consist on April 23, kicking off an 8 week
trial that would ultimately make the USPO the main customer. The first
car is a flexivan loaded with a single CB&Q container, I think #202021,
which appears to have a US Mail placard. I can't identify the car (B&W
photo and no visible reporting marks), but I'm guessing it's also Q,
since ATSF didn't own any. Another guess: it's a connecting load from
the Twin Cities via the Q and is destined either KC or LA. So we now
have photographic evidence of Q FV's in mail service. The van has a
side door, the preferred type for mail service, since
loading/unloading could take place with the van on the flatcar. Super C
was the first of the trio of Chicago-West Coast mail trains; the
others were BN's PZ (Seattle) inaugurated 4/71 and BN-UP-SP OMW and OME
(Oakland) begun in 9/72.
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