My apologies, as I am traveling - and still..er.. digesting.
Tom is well aware of other 60' cars - he has many on his list of cars
to do - if you have received his brochure on the cars to be done (the
one that includes a BA-15) then you have seen some of the cars
involved. But, as I say, he is less than enthused with the Trainline
core for these projects due to the ends, roof and underframe not
being correct for the cars involved. While they can make a fast car,
and a good looking car, they don't make as accurate car as he'd like
- your mileage may vary.
My thoughts originally were exactly as yours were, and in fact I have
stockpiled quite a few of the 60' cars for several projects. The
problem is, as I have gone through them with Tom, he has explained
exactly why they wouldn't make a suitable core for that specific car
or this specific car. An education I apparently needed!
He and I have been discussing these and other cars (such as the
CLOVER cars in another message, due to my desire to be able to
assemble an Exposition Flyer - and my thought is that by being able
to do so, there would be a larger market. As we explored the CLOVER
cars, no suitable core presented itself, most notably due to the
roof. There simply is no pedimented - or rounded - roof core that is
both the correct length and width (of the roof AND clerestory) to
start creating the cars.
As I mentioned before, the Branchline line of passenger cars were
designed as they are specifically for the after market
manufacturers. That's why the core is built as it is, the sides
attach as they do, the underbody is constructed as it is,
etc. There are, I understand, at least 5 car sides being built now
for this application. And, supposedly, at least one roof. But
until that one piece makes its appearance we're stuck.
Now, it should be noted other HS have sponsored HW cars. For
instance, the Soo Line folks have a baggage and RPO car (2 of each)
that they use the Riv (older Riv) cores for, Others use the old Riv
12-1 which is neither fish (2410) or fowl (3410).
I am in no way criticizing the mode here (of using the Trainline 60'
cars) - I'm simply relaying what I have found out from Tom and why he
went to a full kit as opposed to simply sides to use for that (and
other) car. The Trainline RPO is similar to the Q RPO (the most
telling points of departure are the dual rivet lines) but paint one
up, and it LOOKS fine. Same with the older Riv RPO for that
matter. It just depends on what you want.
Bob Webber
Message 3
From: "Ray Bedard"
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Date: Thu May 25, 2006 4:09pm(PDT)
Subject: NKP brass car sides and Trainline bodies
Gordon Smith asked me about fitting NKP cars sides to Trainline bodies:
The sides fit like a well made glove.
I first removed the roof, underside, interior, ends and the windows. I then
removed the sides, they just snap in. This left me with just the 60 foot
shell.
I then added .030 styrene shims to the brass sides, glued with ACC. I
reinstalled the roof before securing the brass sides to the body, this
assured me that the sides and roof matched correctly. Do not reinstall the
ends until AFTER the sides are glued in place. I then used a liquid cement
on the shims to attach the sides to the body shell - I tacked it only at the
bottom and ends. I removed the roof, you will see that there is about an
.020 gap from the top of the Trainline frame to the top of the NKP brass car
side, the roof has a slight overhang.
Once everything was secured with a liquid cement, I then cleaned all the
parts and am now ready to paint and letter it.
The interior can be reinstalled, although it is hard to see the detail,
perhaps I should look at lighting the interior.
Hope this helps anyone interested in a quicker way to getting this done. I
will be sending off an email to NKP and hope that he will look at doing
other cars in this length. There are several other cars that could be build
using this method: Baggage cars: 1306 to 1309, 1316, 1317, 1375, 1400-1402,
1592-1597. Baggage Mail cars: 1892 & 1893 and 2325 to 2346.
Regards,
Ray Bedard
Bob Webber
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