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Re: [CBQ] Re: Digest Number 2731 Naperville WReck and Mars lights

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Digest Number 2731 Naperville WReck and Mars lights
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:17:28 EDT
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Bob and listers
 
Bob has outlined the probable sequence of events just before the collision  
from an engineer's viewpoint.  This is probably as good a re creation of  what 
happened as we're ever going to get.
 
Someone mentioned whether this event had anything to do with the  
installation of the red Mars light on the rear end of passenger trains.
 
A reading of the ICC report tells us that the flagman did not activate the  
Mars light before he headed out to flag, which says that there was one  
there...However if you read it all, you will see that, prior to the application 
 of 
the brakes prior to the collision, he was riding at the front end of the 12th  
car which put him  two car lengths from the rear end of the train.  He  said 
this location was the only place from which he could make proper inspection  of 
his train on the curves.."because of the type of equipment being  
used"....blind end cars???.  
 
Therefore, when he sensed the "emergency stop" he would have had to run  back 
through two cars, grab his flagging equipment and then, run all the way  back 
to where he was to get off to flag.  (One of you more "equipment  savvy" guys 
can tell us what kind of equipment consitituted the last two cars on  the 
train).  In his haste he probably overlooked flipping the switch that  would 
have 
activated the Mars light.  Apparently they (at least this one)  were not set 
up to activate with an emergency brake application....Or perhaps he  was able 
to get off from the rear end of the rear car....Somebody come on an  tell us 
what the platform and/or vestibule situation was on these last two cars,  and 
why that arrangement would prevent the flagman from being able to inspect  his 
train.
 
Just as a little aside and at no extra charge, let it be known that one of  
the flagman's primary responsibilities was train inspection.  The head  
brakeman would be occupied with "handling transportation"  (tickets  for you 
non 
rails) and other details in assisting the  conductor with passengers.
 
Early in my RR career an old operating officer told me, as a young  
trainmaster.  "Now son, when you're checking a crew look at the  flagman....if 
his face 
is dirty he is making his curve inspections, if it isn't  he isn't....Most of 
the flagman "back in the days" wore goggles and when they  would take them 
off at a station stop or final terminal, they would bear the  "racoon look" and 
you could instantly tell if the inspection was being  done.  Normally these 
guys would be "out" on every curve and would  "highball" the head end to let 
the 
engine crew know that they were on the  job.  At night the flagman would give 
a highball with his lantern or  flashlight and the engineer or fireman 
(depending on whether it was a right  or left hand curve) would flash his light 
through the side window into the  outside mirror to let the flagman know that 
he 
had seen his "OK"  If it  wasn't too cold, they might roll the window down and 
look out.
 
Charlie mentioned that some of the relatives of the engineer (W.W.Blaine)  
and the flagman (Tangney??)  were at the BRHS meet a few years ago..IIRC it  
was 
one of the Aurora meets....The flagman's son was there at the behest of Jim  
C...On Sunday after the meet Jim and I took him across town  to visit with  
some other relatives so we had little time to talk with him.
 
Bob...You probably won't be able to find JDC today..He'll be over at the  
"site" with his black armband.  Or he might be at the point where the  fireman 
landed when he jumped...He has these locations marked out and took me to  the 
fireman's landing spot, near the cemetery near the east end of N'ville  several 
years ago.
 
Pete
 
 


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