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Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 2685

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 2685
From: "keith erhart" <erhart@essex1.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:51:09 -0600
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Bill,
Thank you for the extensive information that you provided.  I appreciate your 
willingness to share your knowledge.  I am sorry if I am asking redundant 
questions.  Maybe an index of previous inquiries would help.
Keith Erhart
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  Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 2685


  Keith,

  This topic has been discussed on this list at least once in the past 
  with several differing opinions and no firm conclusions. Personally, I 
  think it at least dates to the 1933 - 1934 Century of Progress Worlds 
  Fair in Chicago. Among the displays, the Q had an abbreviated 
  Aristocrat train with hudson No. 3000 and several "state of the art" 
  cars from the train. As displayed, it is my impression that the 3000 
  included a graphite or gray smokebox and firebox and and oxide red cab 
  roof along with the new large Q red and gold herald that had been 
  introduced about a year earlier.

  The story I have heard was that originally, the Q placed the locomotive 
  on display in the then standard and more somber basic black paint 
  scheme. About the same time, the British display a locomotive and cars 
  from their Royal Scot train and it was placed next to the Q train (I 
  have a post card from the fair showing that). The Royal Scot was 
  spectacularly painted in typical British fashion. When Q management saw 
  the British train, they immediately ordered the 3000 removed from 
  display and shopped for repainting. When she returned, she had the new 
  paint scheme and. in addition, chromed cylinder heads, white edged 
  running boards and, I believe, white tires on all wheels. There are 
  black and white photos of her in service between the first year of the 
  fair and the second year with that paint scheme. The BRHS Hudson 
  Bulletin (16?)includes a photo of her that way near St. Paul, I believe.

  When the locomotives were in service, the red cab roofs became darker 
  and darker. In many old color photos, it is difficult to determine the 
  roof color. As I said, it is my opinion that the use of red on the 
  roofs dates at least to the 1933 fair. It could have been earlier and 
  probably was wide spread somewhat after the fair. Whenever the decision 
  was made,the process of painting all the cab roofs was probably slow 
  process, related to some level of shopping. Keep in mind that some GP 
  and switcher locomotives were still in the blackbird paint scheme on BN 
  merger day, 12 years after the first such units were painted chinese 
  red! So I am sure that the red cab roofs were not adopted overnight.

  I am sure there will be other opinions posted concerning this question 
  and someone out there may have more accurate information than I have. 
  Unfortunately, there are very few if any color photos from that far 
  back. However, while I haven't been able to locate it, I think I have 
  seen a colorized (hand painted) version of the b&w photo from the fair 
  display and it shows the red roof. If I am correct, I doubt such a 
  colorized photo would include artistic license.

  Bill Barber

  On Tuesday, February 28, 2006, at 01:05  PM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

  >    Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:38:38 -0600
  >    From: "keith erhart" <erhart@essex1.com>
  > Subject: Steam engine colors
  >
  > Does anyone know when the Burlington started painting steam locomotive 
  > cab roofs red and the smokebox and firebox grey?  Thank you.
  > Keith Erhart



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