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Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 2685

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Digest Number 2685
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Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 17:33:58 -0600
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Keith,

This topic has been discussed on this list at least once in the past 
with several differing opinions and no firm conclusions. Personally, I 
think it at least dates to the 1933 - 1934 Century of Progress Worlds 
Fair in Chicago. Among the displays, the Q had an abbreviated 
Aristocrat train with hudson No. 3000 and several "state of the art" 
cars from the train. As displayed, it is my impression that the 3000 
included a graphite or gray smokebox and firebox and and oxide red cab 
roof along with the new large Q red and gold herald that had been 
introduced about a year earlier.

The story I have heard was that originally, the Q placed the locomotive 
on display in the then standard and more somber basic black paint 
scheme. About the same time, the British display a locomotive and cars 
from their Royal Scot train and it was placed next to the Q train (I 
have a post card from the fair showing that). The Royal Scot was 
spectacularly painted in typical British fashion. When Q management saw 
the British train, they immediately ordered the 3000 removed from 
display and shopped for repainting. When she returned, she had the new 
paint scheme and. in addition, chromed cylinder heads, white edged 
running boards and, I believe, white tires on all wheels. There are 
black and white photos of her in service between the first year of the 
fair and the second year with that paint scheme. The BRHS Hudson 
Bulletin (16?)includes a photo of her that way near St. Paul, I believe.

When the locomotives were in service, the red cab roofs became darker 
and darker. In many old color photos, it is difficult to determine the 
roof color. As I said, it is my opinion that the use of red on the 
roofs dates at least to the 1933 fair. It could have been earlier and 
probably was wide spread somewhat after the fair. Whenever the decision 
was made,the process of painting all the cab roofs was probably slow 
process, related to some level of shopping. Keep in mind that some GP 
and switcher locomotives were still in the blackbird paint scheme on BN 
merger day, 12 years after the first such units were painted chinese 
red! So I am sure that the red cab roofs were not adopted overnight.

I am sure there will be other opinions posted concerning this question 
and someone out there may have more accurate information than I have. 
Unfortunately, there are very few if any color photos from that far 
back. However, while I haven't been able to locate it, I think I have 
seen a colorized (hand painted) version of the b&w photo from the fair 
display and it shows the red roof. If I am correct, I doubt such a 
colorized photo would include artistic license.

Bill Barber

On Tuesday, February 28, 2006, at 01:05  PM, CBQ@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>    Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:38:38 -0600
>    From: "keith erhart" <erhart@essex1.com>
> Subject: Steam engine colors
>
> Does anyone know when the Burlington started painting steam locomotive 
> cab roofs red and the smokebox and firebox grey?  Thank you.
> Keith Erhart



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