Greetings All
Some time I posted an observation that C&S way cars
sometimes ended up bringing up the rear of ATSF
freights (and vice versa) on the Joint Line (Denver-
Pueblo).
This prompted me to ask:
Was this a regular practice?
Which Company crewed the locomotive?
Which Company crewed the way car?
Here are two answers from very knowledgeable writers.
?On the Denver ? Pueblo Joint Line, 50% of the train
crews and cabooses were provided by the AT&SF and 50%
provided by the C&S.
The crews operated in one ?chain gang? pool.
C&S crews would handle AT&SF trains with AT&SF power;
occasionally the AT&SF crews would handle trains with
C&S power.
I was stationed at Camp Carson, CO in the summer of
1944 and saw many trains with AT&SF engines and a C&S
caboose.
This was the era of assigned cabooses to crews. AT&SF
commenced pooling cabooses in 1967 and I do not know
how this affected the Joint Line operation, but assume
an effort was made to have each railroad provide 50%
of the crews and pool cabooses.?
?Yes, the ATSF has provided train crews for all C&S
trains between Denver and Pueblo since the original
?Joint Line Agreement? was signed between the AT&SF
and the C&S on April 1, 1900. Hence the name of
?Joint Line? in Colorado.
Over the years it was quite common to have a mixture
of C&S (CB&Q) eqpt. and/or ATSF on trains.
But on board were ATSF crews, even to this BNSF day?.
Now I know that in the 1950s (my period of interest)
that:
ATSF rules governed all C&S trains on the Joint Line.
(?A.T.& S.F. Rules Operating Departments govern
operation on Denver Division?:
source - ETTs )
The ATSF and the C&S each operated two fast freights
daily between
Denver ? Pueblo and Pueblo ? Denver
Only the ATSF operated a way freight between Denver
and the Springs; there was no scheduled local between
Pueblo and Colorado Springs.
The C&S was prohibited by agreement from operating a
way freight over the line.
The C&S did not pool its way cars with the FW&D or
the CB&Q at this time.
The C&S did operate pooled (with the FW&D and CB&Q) F
units during the (mid??)1950s.
The C&S engine men admired some of the ATSF steam
engines which were typically more modern.
(the firemen liked the idea of oil fired steamers;
the engineers, their brute power.)
The C&S Southern Division ETTs of the period make no
mention of operations on the Joint Line
(at least the few copies that I have don?t).
Speed restrictions for all C&S/ FW&D/ and leased CB&Q
locomotives are listed in the Denver Division (Joint
Line) ETTs
(at least the few that I have).
And Special Rule (G) states ?When trains display
markers with green instead of yellow discs, these
green discs will be considered as indicating the same
as yellow.?
The C&S used green discs on rear end makers, the ATSF
yellow.
I guess I will come close to knowing some of the
story, but the whole will be as elusive as now adays
is the taste and smell of hot oil and steam.
Regards, Mark Sellars
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