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Re: Grilles & Radiators

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Subject: Re: Grilles & Radiators
From: William Barber <clipperw@E...>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:30:45 -0500
On 10/8, Bill Chambers asked several questions about the grilles and 
radiators on E units and the shovel nose Zephyrs. Marshall Thayer 
replied the same day.

His answer was basically correct except for the location of the 
radiators on the shovel nose units. On the original Zephyrs, the 
radiators were located behind the grilles over the front windows and 
above the operator's cab. (See BB #13, page 7) The fans were behind the 
radiators and the discharge air (hot air) was, most likely, ducted 
separately from the engine room to the vent openings in the roof on 
either side of the exhaust stacks. To duct the hot radiator air into 
the engine room, would have "killed" it. The fans were belt driven off 
the engine in those days. Electric fans did not appear on EMD units 
until the F-2.

On the 9904 - 9907 cab units with two engines, the front was engine's 
radiators were over the cab, like the earlier Zephrys while the rear 
engine's radiators were located behind the four roof grilles located on 
either side of the rear of the unit. To the best of my knowledge, EMD 
never built a multiple engine unit with a common cooling system. They 
were always separate. On the "B" units with only one engine, the 
radiators were at the rear behind the six grilles located again at the 
rear on either side. Because the engine was bigger in the "B" unit,(16 
cylinders as opposed to two 12 cylinder engines in the "A" units.) it 
required additional cooling and thus, more radiators.

I suspect that 9908, (the last shovel nose) was cooled in exactly the 
same manner as all the other early Zephyrs with the radiators above the 
cab. The large rectangular grills on both sides of 9908's carbody, were 
probably engine air intakes with filtration, judging by their 
appearance. The 567 model engine required more air for combustion than 
did the 201A model used in all the other shovel nose units. The earlier 
shovel nose units may have had some air, coming through the front 
grilles, that was ducted around the radiators for engine air intake 
since there is no other evidence of engine air intakes on their 
carbodies

On later E's and F's, Marshall mentioned the frequent changing of side 
grills (louvers). The radiator air intakes on these units were located 
behind the grills above the port holes at the top of the carbody sides. 
Engine air intake openings and filters were also located in that area, 
but additional engine air intakes were located in the middle row of 
side panels adjacent to the port holes. Configuration of these were 
occasionally revised to meet engine air requirements.

Bill Barber


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