Ken,
The BRE/WFE had an Agent who had an office in the depot across from the
Hiram Walker plant. He was responsible for inspecting and protecting
perishables that arrived from Galesburg. Those cars that needed icing would
have been iced in Galesburg.
In addition he was responsible for cars originating in Peoria. Pabst was one
shipper. I recall going to the plant and working on mechanical refers many
times.
I do not remember the PFE having an operation there.
Lenny
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> There are 10 messages in this issue.
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> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. CB&Q Waycar saved
> From: Denny Anspach <danspach@m...>
> 2. Re: Any update on the old DZ and NZ in Saudi Arabia?
> From: "sjl_prodigynet" <sjl@p...>
> 3. Re: Peoria,IL
> From: KPMF16@a...
> 4. Re: CB&Q Waycar saved
> From: Ken martin <kmartin@c...>
> 5. Re: Peoria,IL
> From: PSHedgpeth@a...
> 6. Re: Re: OS - Was Suggested Reading
> From: PSHedgpeth@a...
> 7. Re: CB&Q Waycar saved
> From: SilvrDome@a...
> 8. Re: Peoria,IL
> From: KPMF16@a...
> 9. Fw: Re:CTC Machines & Lineups
> From: Steven Holding <hold-on@s...>
> 10. Have any of the 400-411 SD7s survived?
> From: Bob Yarger <bobyar2001@y...>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:37:33 -0800
> From: Denny Anspach <danspach@m...>
> Subject: CB&Q Waycar saved
>
> A fully intact wood CB&Q waycar (number unknown, and not yet found)
> was a part of a failed restaurant in Rancho Cordova, a suburb of
> Sacramento. A heavyweight ATSF coach was also a part of the
> restaurant. Both were saved by the Pacific Coast Chapter of the R&LHS
> and transported to Folsom, CA were they resided temporarily in Old
> Town. The waycar was in very poor condition, and a potential "parting
> out" was avoided when it was recently purchased by a local dentist
> and immediately transported to Virginia City, NV, where he will be
> restoring it as a part of a private historic residential complex.
>
> I know the person in question, and from observation of past projects,
> there is no doubt that this lowly car will now have a spectacular new
> life.
>
> Now, does any one know anything about the past on this car (including #)?.
>
> Denny
> Denny S. Anspach, MD
> Sacramento, California
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:41:26 -0000
> From: "sjl_prodigynet" <sjl@p...>
> Subject: Re: Any update on the old DZ and NZ in Saudi Arabia?
>
> Bob
>
> Given the events of September 11 and the increasing evidence of
> sympathy on the part of many Saudis, I think we must consider these
> consists equivalent to scrapped and focus on Denver Zephyr equipment
> stateside.
>
> Right now, as you once brought to my attention, there are three 1936
> Denver Zephyr cars in Hill City, SD, and, I believe, these are still
> for sale. One of the cars is the Parlor-Obs Silver Streak (minus its
> nameplates, one of which ended up in Denver's Cherry Creek Cinema in
> the mid-1970's for the showings there of the Gene Wilder/Richard
> Pryor movie Silver Streak). It would just be so wonderful if the
> Streak were brought to the Colorado or Illinois Railway Museums and
> restored, or some other museum in an area served by the Denver Zephyr
> (or Texas Zephyr, if no DZ-line museum can be found).
>
> sjl
>
> --- In BRHSlist@y..., Bob Yarger <bobyar2001@y...> wrote:
> > Saw it nentioned somewhere these were in use again.
> > Anyone know if this is correct?
> >
> > --- Walter Ohrnell <wohrnell@s...> wrote:
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > Here is a few more tid bits.
> > >
> > > The late Alex Barket bought the MTZ and set it out
> > > at Byrams Ford PArk. This was all 1970-1976 time
> > > frame, am hazy on dates closer than that. He is the
> > > same banker who bought the Denver Zephyr and
> > > Nebraska Zephyr consists, and then sold them to the
> > > Saudi Arabian National Railways.
> > >
> > > Lenny
> > >
> > >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:25:31 EST
> From: KPMF16@a...
> Subject: Re: Peoria,IL
>
> Leo,
>
> I don't know of the Pacific Fruit Express operations in particular, but I
do know that perishables and meat especially were sent through to Peoria on
the Q. In the recently republished Q freight train data sheets for 1968
Galesburg - Peoria trains 104 and 106 both delivered meat and perishables to
the TPW and NKP. In paricular 106 delivered to NKP train PB-98
(Peoria-Buffalo) and to TPW 22. Deliveries to the NKP had a cutoff time of
1030A for a 1215P departure and the cutoff for TPW 22 was 130P for reefers
billed to reice and 200P for non-icers. The TPW had a nice modern icing
dock but the Q had none. From what I've learned on the list, even potatoes
were shipped through Peoria in old Q ice bunker cars in the BN era.
>
> As one who models this line I'm really interested in anything concerning
it. I don't know what the CPT is but I do know what the PTC was. This was
the Peoria Terminal Co. which was a termial switching operation under the
complete ownership of the Rock Island. This still wouldn't make a lot of
sense though to hand off traffic to the Rock Island for forwarding to
Chicago. It wouldn't make much sense for the PTC to be handling any of this
traffic to another road either because the Q had direct interchange with the
TPW and interchange via the Peoria and Peking Union to the NKP.
>
> Getting back to the meat traffic end of things, that 104 train to Peoria
received at lot of Morrel meat reefers off of train 118 out of Ottumwa.
>
> Ken Thompson
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:36:13 -0700
> From: Ken martin <kmartin@c...>
> Subject: Re: CB&Q Waycar saved
>
> Denny Anspach wrote:
> >
> > A fully intact wood CB&Q waycar (number unknown, and not yet found)
> > was a part of a failed restaurant in Rancho Cordova, a suburb of
> > Sacramento.
> >
> > Denny
> > Denny S. Anspach, MD
> > Sacramento, California
> >
>
> Denny
>
> The waycar is 14379, it appeared in a field off Mack road back in 1978
(before
> that area was built up) and was rebuilt there and was used at a model home
for
> a housing development south of Mack road before it went to the restaurant.
I
> posted a picture of it in the photo files on yahoo at:
> http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/BRHSlist/lst
> The old CB&Q historical soc. printed a 1968 caboose assignment list
showing
> it at Omaha in poor condition.
>
> Ken Martin
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:02:41 EST
> From: PSHedgpeth@a...
> Subject: Re: Peoria,IL
>
> Depends on how good the Q traffic solicitor was.
>
> Think about the MN&S..there was no logical reason for traffic from the
> Pacific NW to move via that line, yet they seemed to be involved in every
> move.
>
> I've heard the Rock Island VP of Traffic rant for considerable time over
this
> matter.
>
> If there was a rate and a route, a good traffic man could sell it.
>
> Pete
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:58:37 EST
> From: PSHedgpeth@a...
> Subject: Re: Re: OS - Was Suggested Reading
>
> Ed and list
>
> The primary situation that comes to mind is where an extra train is given
> right over an opposing extra or even a scheduled train.
>
> When said opposing extra or scheduled train arrived at the register point
it
> would be necessary to determine whether the extra which had been given
right
> over their train had arrived to determine whether they could proceed
beyond
> the register point.
>
> Here's an example: You may need to get out your Q map for this one if
> you're not familiar with the territory. On the Wymore Division in the
> 1950's a local was run from Wymore to Fairmont via Beatrice, DeWitt and
then
> west on the "High Line" to West Strang Jct. thence north from West Strang
> Jct. to Fairmont. This local ran on Monday, Wednesday and Friday.
>
> On Monday, Wednesday and Friday a local ran from Fairmont to Hildreth via
> West Strang Jct.
>
> Regular procedure was to give the Fairmont-Hildreth local right over the
> Wymore Fairmont local from Fairmont to West Strang Jct. The order would
read
> like this.
>
> Engine 408 run extra Fairmont to Hildreth via West Strang Jct. and has
right
> over Extra 406 North Fairmont to West Strang Jct.
>
> I worked the Fairmont-Hildreth job for three months summer 1958 so I'm
quite
> familiar with the arrangement.
>
> If we were early enough on the Fairmont Hildreth job we would have arrived
> and left West Strang Jct., before the Wymore -Fairmont job got there.
> Problem...how does extra 406 north know that Extra 408 south has arrived
at
> West Strang Jct.
>
> Voila....the train register. If you will note your Wymore Division TT for
> that era you will see that "train register is located at North Switch west
> Strang Jct." ...only westward trains will register.
>
> The regular thing that happened was that we were quite late out of
Fairmont
> headed for Hildreth and the other guys would be sitting on the east leg of
> the wye at West Strang jct., clear of the north switch waiting for us to
go
> by, but on the rare occasion when we would have gone west before the other
> guy arrived the only way that he would know would be to check the register
> which was put there for that purpose. I would assume that Extra 406
North
> would have been given an order reading something like. Extra 406 north
may
> check train register against Extra 408 south at West Strang Jct.
>
> Sometimes the dispatcher would give us the usual right over order, but
would
> give us a straight meet with the other local at West Strang Jct.
>
> Going west on the Hildreth job during the grain harvest we could have
75-80
> boxcars stretched around the west leg of the wye. It took a bit of doing
for
> the head brakeman (namely me) to get out on top to see signs across the
west
> leg of the wye since it was necessary for the conductor to get off, open
up
> the register box, do the writing and get back on. This was before the
days
> of radios and the branch was still dispatched by Telegraph at that time.
To
> boot there were no operators on duty after 5:00pm...it was usually 8-9pm
when
> we made this maneuver.
>
> Pete
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:44:30 EST
> From: SilvrDome@a...
> Subject: Re: CB&Q Waycar saved
>
> Denny,
>
> What has happened to the heavyweight coach?
>
> Hubert
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:35:24 EST
> From: KPMF16@a...
> Subject: Re: Peoria,IL
>
> Thanks Pete,
>
> I guess I have heard of strange routings and I guess it wouldn't be that
much of a stretch.
>
> Ken
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 00:07:59 -0600
> From: Steven Holding <hold-on@s...>
> Subject: Fw: Re:CTC Machines & Lineups
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steven Holding <hold-on@s...>
> To: <BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [BRHSlist] Re:CTC Machines & Lineups
>
>
> > All the CTC machines in Cicero had graphs except the East End(Aurora to
> > Chicago) The idea of the graphs was to get rid of the train sheets.
> > However most of the newer DS after about '78 did not keep up the
> graph.(Some
> > hardly kept up the train sheet)
> > Lineups put out by individual DS were put up starting around 6AM-12 noon
> and
> > 12 noon to 4 or 6PM on low traffic branches they might be put out all
> day.
> > These were used by section and Signal and due to the safety issue were
> > treated like a train order. One problem use to be on the old C&I
(Aurora
> to
> > St. Croix)Desk was the bad figures out of Northtown. No train could be
> run
> > unless it had a lineup figure. And to run one before was a Crime. Out
of
> > St.Croix it was standard practice to add extras every half to one hour
so
> > you had a slot to run a train. If you had a red signal in the Rock
Fence
> > territory you had to put out a lineup so the Maintainer could go find
the
> > problem. To get around the nonline figure trains we use to put out a
> > "Rabbit Hunting "Order. This told a train to sound whistle freely ring
> the
> > bell and look out for men and equiptment while running at restricted
> speed.
> > This order was only for one train while the "Beaver" order or the
> "Juvenile
> > Cubian" order was a standard look out order
> > sjh
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Walter Ohrnell <wohrnell@s...>
> > To: <BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 4:56 PM
> > Subject: [BRHSlist] Re:OS
> >
> >
> > > I would OS the time when the waycar passed me on the depot platform.
The
> > passenger trains were OS'd giving the arrival and departure times.
> > >
> > > In addition to these the other was an mechanical OS. The Union Switch
> and
> > Signal CTC machine at Pacific Jct. had a graph with pens built into the
> self
> > in front (see BB-22 on pages 28 and 36). The graph paper had times
along
> > the edge. When a trrain would hit the OS section at the respective
> stations
> > the pen would move making a glitch which gave the time. This time was
then
> > given to the dispatcher. We would then follow the train with a pencil
line
> > noting its number. Jct. One of the first things the signal maintainer
> would
> > do when he arrived for work was tear of the graph paper for the
preceeding
> > day roll it up and keep it for so long.
> > >
> > > Lenny
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:52:51 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bob Yarger <bobyar2001@y...>
> Subject: Have any of the 400-411 SD7s survived?
>
> Does anyone know of any of the Q's lightweight,
> non-dynamic SD7s that have survived?
>
>
>
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