Hay Group,
Is it just me or is it because
"I'm paying closer attention to trains now than I did in the past"
Has then been more derailments here lately than normal?
This one you just talked of, the BNSF in Albia IA and the other here just a
short while back, then 2 Amtrack, one being just the other day, and the M. Rail
Link in Mistic IA just here about 10 days ago?
Is there this much that goes on?
Larry Doub
----- Original Message -----
From: BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com
To: BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:42 AM
Subject: [BRHSlist] Digest Number 895
There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Turntable Sizes
From: "William Franckey" <budapest@g...>
2. Re: Turntable Sizes
From: "William Franckey" <budapest@g...>
3. CRIP 6-6-4 sleepers on the Zephyr Rocket
From: "Cynthia & Duncan Cameron" <d.cameron@s...>
4. Re: Turntable Sizes
From: Ken martin <kmartin@c...>
5. roundhouse accident
From: "John A. Swearingen" <jas@s...>
6. For Sale
From: bob5632@y...
7. Re: Turntable Sizes
From: rgortowski@a...
8. Rdhse Accident
From: qutlx1@a...
9. Rdhse Accident
From: qutlx1@a...
10. Rdhse Accident
From: qutlx1@a...
11. Suburban Derailment
From: qutlx1@a...
12. Re: Suburban Derailment
From: Ed Pavlovic <epav1@w...>
13. Re: Suburban Derailment
From: hold-on@s...
14. Re: Turntable Sizes
From: hold-on@s...
15. Re: Suburban Derailment
From: supchief17@a...
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:38:45 -0600
From: "William Franckey" <budapest@g...>
Subject: Re: Turntable Sizes
----- Original Message -----
From: <hold-on@s...>
To: <BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [BRHSlist] Turntable Sizes
> Turntable list is found on drawing No. 46541 Jan 1, 1952
> Eastern District
> Chicago Div.
> 14th St. 79.75 ft Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Western Ave 110 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Clyde 135 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Aurora Div.
> Eola 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric
Drive
> Aurora RH 74.76ft Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Aurora PY 69.17ft.Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Mendota 85 ft Thru Truss Air Drive
> Buda 63.75ft Deck Girder Air Crab
> Galva 59.71ft.Deck Girder Hand Crab
> LaSalle 74.56 ft.Deck Girder Air Drive
> Rockford 80.00 ft Thru Girder Electric
> Rock Falls 69.56 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> Galesburg Div.
> Galesburg 135 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Quincy 75 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> Rock Island 80 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Peoria 80 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Rushville 59.67 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> Clinton 66 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Lacrosse Div.
> Savanna 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric
> N LaCrosse 85 ft Thru Truss Electric
> Daytons Bluff 110ft. Tree Point Electric
> Beardstown Div.
> Litchfield 63.50 ft Deck Girder Hand Crab
> Centralia 100 ft Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Beardstown 100 ft Thru Turss Electric Drive
> Central Dist. dated 3/1/43
> Ottumwa Div
> Des Moines 80 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Burlington 90 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Ottumwa 85 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
(will
> replace with 100 TT)
> Creston Div.
> Creston 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Villisca 66 ft. Deck Girder Hand Crab
> Red Oak 59.17 ft Deck Girder Air Crab
> Pacific Jct. 92.33 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Council Bluff 79.75 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Cumberland 67.50 ft. Deck Girder Hand Crab
> Sidney 55.42 ft. Deck Girder Hand
> Shenandoah 68 ft. Deck Girder Air Crab
> Griswold 56 ft. Deck Girder Hand
> Centerville Div.
> Centerville 68 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Carrollton 69.50ft. Deck Girder Air Crab
> Milan 70 ft. Deck Girder Air
> Hannibal Div.
> N.St.Louis 80 Ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> E.St.Louis 75 Ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Hannibal 81.33 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Keokuk 65.71 ft. Deck Girder Air Drive
> Ft. Madison 60 ft. Deck Girder Air Drive
> Francis 74.48 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> Brookfield 81.33 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Cameron Jct. 80 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> St.Joseph Div.
> Murray 80 Ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> St.Joseph 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Clarinda 57.75 ft Deck Girder Hand Crab
> Albany 65.75 ft.Deck Girder Air Drive
> Sorry Guys no info on Lines West
> Thats up to some one else
> SJH
>
> TOM KOCH wrote:
>
> > Can anybody advise me the size of the Turntable in Galesburg? What
about
> > some other locations? I am building a Turntable and have not decided
how
> > big the table should be in order to handle anything that might need to
be
> > turned.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom Koch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Click here for Free Video!!
> http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 06:48:50 -0600
From: "William Franckey" <budapest@g...>
Subject: Re: Turntable Sizes
Tom, Thanks for the turntable list. Do you know if Kewannee had a
table? I heard stories of a small roundhouse there but can find scant info
on this. There had always been a story circulating that the Downers Grove
table was used under High Street in Aurora which this list dated Jan 1,1952
leads one to question the facilities at DG. Maybe Bob Campbell can shed
some light on this.........Tom, what do you need exactly on the Galesburg
table? Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <hold-on@s...>
To: <BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:54 AM
Subject: Re: [BRHSlist] Turntable Sizes
> Turntable list is found on drawing No. 46541 Jan 1, 1952
> Eastern District
> Chicago Div.
> 14th St. 79.75 ft Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Western Ave 110 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Clyde 135 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Aurora Div.
> Eola 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric
Drive
> Aurora RH 74.76ft Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Aurora PY 69.17ft.Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Mendota 85 ft Thru Truss Air Drive
> Buda 63.75ft Deck Girder Air Crab
> Galva 59.71ft.Deck Girder Hand Crab
> LaSalle 74.56 ft.Deck Girder Air Drive
> Rockford 80.00 ft Thru Girder Electric
> Rock Falls 69.56 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> Galesburg Div.
> Galesburg 135 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Quincy 75 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> Rock Island 80 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Peoria 80 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Rushville 59.67 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> Clinton 66 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Lacrosse Div.
> Savanna 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric
> N LaCrosse 85 ft Thru Truss Electric
> Daytons Bluff 110ft. Tree Point Electric
> Beardstown Div.
> Litchfield 63.50 ft Deck Girder Hand Crab
> Centralia 100 ft Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Beardstown 100 ft Thru Turss Electric Drive
> Central Dist. dated 3/1/43
> Ottumwa Div
> Des Moines 80 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Burlington 90 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Ottumwa 85 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
(will
> replace with 100 TT)
> Creston Div.
> Creston 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Villisca 66 ft. Deck Girder Hand Crab
> Red Oak 59.17 ft Deck Girder Air Crab
> Pacific Jct. 92.33 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Council Bluff 79.75 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Cumberland 67.50 ft. Deck Girder Hand Crab
> Sidney 55.42 ft. Deck Girder Hand
> Shenandoah 68 ft. Deck Girder Air Crab
> Griswold 56 ft. Deck Girder Hand
> Centerville Div.
> Centerville 68 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Carrollton 69.50ft. Deck Girder Air Crab
> Milan 70 ft. Deck Girder Air
> Hannibal Div.
> N.St.Louis 80 Ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> E.St.Louis 75 Ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Hannibal 81.33 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> Keokuk 65.71 ft. Deck Girder Air Drive
> Ft. Madison 60 ft. Deck Girder Air Drive
> Francis 74.48 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> Brookfield 81.33 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Cameron Jct. 80 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> St.Joseph Div.
> Murray 80 Ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> St.Joseph 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> Clarinda 57.75 ft Deck Girder Hand Crab
> Albany 65.75 ft.Deck Girder Air Drive
> Sorry Guys no info on Lines West
> Thats up to some one else
> SJH
>
> TOM KOCH wrote:
>
> > Can anybody advise me the size of the Turntable in Galesburg? What
about
> > some other locations? I am building a Turntable and have not decided
how
> > big the table should be in order to handle anything that might need to
be
> > turned.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tom Koch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Click here for Free Video!!
> http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 3
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:29:03 -0500
From: "Cynthia & Duncan Cameron" <d.cameron@s...>
Subject: CRIP 6-6-4 sleepers on the Zephyr Rocket
Just wanted to thank people for the input on modelling these cars. I just
happened to have the January 1967 Railroad Model Craftsman in the basement
(the gift of a fellow train fan a "few" years older than I am). The most
obvious thing that I noticed was that I'll have to remove the skirting from
the kit. I'm not sure whether to try to correct the arrangement of the
underbody details -- looks like it would require a new plain floor plus a
bunch of detail parts. Another thing I noticed was that the "vents" above
the doors on the model don't seem to be there in the pictures ( hard to tell
with some) and that the plans show possible grab irons on that section of
the roof. Anyone know if those "vents" were there on the CRIP cars? Thanks
again.
Duncan Cameron
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 4
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 07:10:48 -0800
From: Ken martin <kmartin@c...>
Subject: Re: Turntable Sizes
SJH
I didn't ask the question but THANK YOU for posting the list of turntables.
Ken Martin
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 5
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:19:53 -0600
From: "John A. Swearingen" <jas@s...>
Subject: roundhouse accident
Does anyone on the list have any photographs of or information about the
accident which happened at the Brookfield, Missouri roundhouse in the early
'50s? The tale is that a large steam locomotive (probably an M-2) crashed
through the back wall. At least 1/2 of it got to daylight.
I had never heard of this before but got it from a reliable source over the
weekend.
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 6
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:11:42 -0000
From: bob5632@y...
Subject: For Sale
Book-Highliners by Lucius Beebe 1940
1888 CB&Q Suburban timetable
Other CB&Q tt and misc.
Please contact me off list.
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 7
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 17:47:26 EST
From: rgortowski@a...
Subject: Re: Turntable Sizes
>>From what I understand, Downers didn't close until September 26th, 1952.
After that date all commuter trains went to Aurora and steam was no longer
used.
Rich (need those LMB S2's for commuter service) Gortowski
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 8
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:28:03 EST
From: qutlx1@a...
Subject: Rdhse Accident
I don't have anything on the Brookfield Rdhse accident but I do know of an E
unit that ended up on Broadway out the back wall of the Aurora Rdhse.
Leo
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 9
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:28:05 EST
From: qutlx1@a...
Subject: Rdhse Accident
I don't have anything on the Brookfield Rdhse accident but I do know of an E
unit that ended up on Broadway out the back wall of the Aurora Rdhse.
Leo
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 10
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:28:00 EST
From: qutlx1@a...
Subject: Rdhse Accident
I don't have anything on the Brookfield Rdhse accident but I do know of an E
unit that ended up on Broadway out the back wall of the Aurora Rdhse.
Leo
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 11
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:33:23 EST
From: qutlx1@a...
Subject: Suburban Derailment
Ok,they're keeping this one pretty quiet.It appears to this interested and
experienced observer that we had double decks on the ground at the Aurora
Transportation Center over the weekend.All those Caterpillar tread marks didn't
get in the back lot driveway from plowing the 2 inches of snow.There's also a
bunch of obvious blocking marks.Did we forget to set the air pulling into town
or did someone let a setover bleed off in the yard and gravity rolled it to the
end of track?
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 12
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:56:57 -0600
From: Ed Pavlovic <epav1@w...>
Subject: Re: Suburban Derailment
Leo,
Happened to see this on another list, might be the answer to your question...
> In the Sunday Beacon news there was a photo of 3 flatcars that rolled
> from the Eola yard to the Roundhouse. Short caption states that the
> incident happened around 5 pm Sat. One car left the tracks and stopped
> 30 ft from the Comfort Suites indoor pool. No injuries reported.
> Luckily Metra wasn't at the station when it happened.
>
qutlx1@a... wrote:
> Ok,they're keeping this one pretty quiet.It appears to this interested and
> experienced observer that we had double decks on the ground at the Aurora
> Transportation Center over the weekend.All those Caterpillar tread marks
> didn't get in the back lot driveway from plowing the 2 inches of snow.There's
> also a bunch of obvious blocking marks.Did we forget to set the air pulling
> into town or did someone let a setover bleed off in the yard and gravity
> rolled it to the end of track?
>
>
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 13
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:22:39 -0800
From: hold-on@s...
Subject: Re: Suburban Derailment
Leo
Someone forgot to put the derail back on in the west yard and they rolled thru
the mainline switch
OOPS
sjh
qutlx1@a... wrote:
> Ok,they're keeping this one pretty quiet.It appears to this interested and
> experienced observer that we had double decks on the ground at the Aurora
> Transportation Center over the weekend.All those Caterpillar tread marks
> didn't get in the back lot driveway from plowing the 2 inches of snow.There's
> also a bunch of obvious blocking marks.Did we forget to set the air pulling
> into town or did someone let a setover bleed off in the yard and gravity
> rolled it to the end of track?
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--
-----------------------------------------------------
Click here for Free Video!!
http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 14
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:37:12 -0800
From: hold-on@s...
Subject: Re: Turntable Sizes
Bill
The High St. Bridge was built during the Elevation Work from 1915-1934 and it
reused a bridge from outwest but no location was given.
Hols got an article on this for someday.
The Downers Grove Turntable was an 80 ft. Deck Girder with Electric Drive built
in 1910 from American Bridge Co first installed at Creston and moved to DG in
1936
Creston had gotten the old turntable from Centralia in 1933(Took time to get an
AFE into the budget) Centralia had a new 100 Thru Truss installed in 1922
SJH
William Franckey wrote:
> Tom, Thanks for the turntable list. Do you know if Kewannee had a
> table? I heard stories of a small roundhouse there but can find scant info
> on this. There had always been a story circulating that the Downers Grove
> table was used under High Street in Aurora which this list dated Jan 1,1952
> leads one to question the facilities at DG. Maybe Bob Campbell can shed
> some light on this.........Tom, what do you need exactly on the Galesburg
> table? Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hold-on@s...>
> To: <BRHSlist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [BRHSlist] Turntable Sizes
>
> > Turntable list is found on drawing No. 46541 Jan 1, 1952
> > Eastern District
> > Chicago Div.
> > 14th St. 79.75 ft Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Western Ave 110 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Clyde 135 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Aurora Div.
> > Eola 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric
> Drive
> > Aurora RH 74.76ft Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Aurora PY 69.17ft.Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Mendota 85 ft Thru Truss Air Drive
> > Buda 63.75ft Deck Girder Air Crab
> > Galva 59.71ft.Deck Girder Hand Crab
> > LaSalle 74.56 ft.Deck Girder Air Drive
> > Rockford 80.00 ft Thru Girder Electric
> > Rock Falls 69.56 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> > Galesburg Div.
> > Galesburg 135 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Quincy 75 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> > Rock Island 80 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Peoria 80 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Rushville 59.67 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> > Clinton 66 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Lacrosse Div.
> > Savanna 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric
> > N LaCrosse 85 ft Thru Truss Electric
> > Daytons Bluff 110ft. Tree Point Electric
> > Beardstown Div.
> > Litchfield 63.50 ft Deck Girder Hand Crab
> > Centralia 100 ft Thru Truss Electric Drive
> > Beardstown 100 ft Thru Turss Electric Drive
> > Central Dist. dated 3/1/43
> > Ottumwa Div
> > Des Moines 80 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> > Burlington 90 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> > Ottumwa 85 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> (will
> > replace with 100 TT)
> > Creston Div.
> > Creston 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> > Villisca 66 ft. Deck Girder Hand Crab
> > Red Oak 59.17 ft Deck Girder Air Crab
> > Pacific Jct. 92.33 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> > Council Bluff 79.75 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Cumberland 67.50 ft. Deck Girder Hand Crab
> > Sidney 55.42 ft. Deck Girder Hand
> > Shenandoah 68 ft. Deck Girder Air Crab
> > Griswold 56 ft. Deck Girder Hand
> > Centerville Div.
> > Centerville 68 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Carrollton 69.50ft. Deck Girder Air Crab
> > Milan 70 ft. Deck Girder Air
> > Hannibal Div.
> > N.St.Louis 80 Ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> > E.St.Louis 75 Ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Hannibal 81.33 ft. Deck Girder Electric Drive
> > Keokuk 65.71 ft. Deck Girder Air Drive
> > Ft. Madison 60 ft. Deck Girder Air Drive
> > Francis 74.48 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> > Brookfield 81.33 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> > Cameron Jct. 80 ft Deck Girder Air Drive
> > St.Joseph Div.
> > Murray 80 Ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> > St.Joseph 100 ft. Thru Truss Electric Drive
> > Clarinda 57.75 ft Deck Girder Hand Crab
> > Albany 65.75 ft.Deck Girder Air Drive
> > Sorry Guys no info on Lines West
> > Thats up to some one else
> > SJH
> >
> > TOM KOCH wrote:
> >
> > > Can anybody advise me the size of the Turntable in Galesburg? What
> about
> > > some other locations? I am building a Turntable and have not decided
> how
> > > big the table should be in order to handle anything that might need to
> be
> > > turned.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Tom Koch
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------------------------
> > Click here for Free Video!!
> > http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--
-----------------------------------------------------
Click here for Free Video!!
http://www.gohip.com/freevideo/
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 15
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 02:40:42 EST
From: supchief17@a...
Subject: Re: Suburban Derailment
In a message dated 3/19/01 9:41:21 PM Central Standard Time, qutlx1@a...
writes:
> Ok,they're keeping this one pretty quiet.It appears to this interested and
> experienced observer that we had double decks on the ground at the Aurora
> Transportation Center over the weekend.All those Caterpillar tread marks
> didn't get in the back lot driveway from plowing the 2 inches of
> snow.There's also a bunch of obvious blocking marks.Did we forget to set
> the air pulling into town or did someone let a setover bleed off in the
> yard and gravity rolled it to the end of track?
>
>
Once again, The Beacon News gets it wrong. It was not 3 flat cars, it was 2.
What happen was that 2 TT flatcars rolled out of West Eola Yard, and headed
toward the Depot. Rolled all the way to the end of Station Track 1, took out
the bumper post, and continued about another 100 feet into the parking lot of
the Hotel. I got down there about 1 1/2 after it happen. At about 9 O' clock,
Holcher services showed up, and spent about an hour rerailing the 2 cars.
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/heartland/8114/littleq.html";>Little Q Model
Railroad Club</A>
President: Mike Griesmann
(Supchief17@a...)
843 Lebanon St.
Aurora, Illinois 60505
630-897-6513 evenings
630-906-1114 daytime
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|