--- In BRHSlist@y..., PSHedgpeth@a... wrote:
> Speaking of three man crews. How about 4 man crews as in "full
crew law
> states". On the Rock Island it was Arkansas.
>
> A train crew consisted of engineer, fireman, three brakemen and a
conductor.
my understanding of a full crew law in a state was a crew of 5,
meaning an engineer, head and rear brakemen, a conductor and a
fireman. firemen were terminated on may 7, 1964.... "Persuant to
paragraph c(2), Part C, Section II, of the Award of Arbitration Board
No. 282, established by Joint Resolution of Congress under Public Law
88-180, which was made on November 26, 1963, firemen with less than
two years service as of January 25, 1964, may be seperated from
Carrier's payrolls and have employement and seniority rights
terminated....." believe reading back then that this could affect
*up to* 25,000 jobs nationwide, this including men with more than two
years service but not ten years. men with more than ten years or more
they had to keep.
taking the burlington west from chicago... illinois, iowa, nebraska
were not full crew states. colorado was. also, but not involving the
burlington, oregon was a full crew state. know there were more.
some states passed full crew laws just before (maybe 3-6 months)
arbitration board 282 went into effect.
have never heard of three brakemen, but probably existed somewhere.
no arkansas remarks here <grin>
> Just as an aside,if memory serves, when the multi unit diesel
consists came
> into being in the late 30's early 40's the organizations wanted an
engineer
> and fireman on each unit. The compromise was that the fireman
stayed long
> after he had anything like something necessary to do. The
exception was
> passenger trains with steam generator units. These took up a great
deal of
> the fireman's time as it seems they malfunctioned for often than
they worked
> correctly. They were far from automatic.
from what was told by older engineer's, the unions, should say union,
fireman's union, (ble never tried for anything except for the dollar
and a half, and they probably didn't ask for that) when the ft's came
started negotiations to have a fireman on every unit, believe even
threatened a labour (for our nz friends) dispute. so a 4 unit ft
consist would of had 1 engineer and 4 fireman. of course calmer heads
prevailed. probably used as a bargining point, have a foggy memory of
being told that only one fireman on diesel road units and burlington
would not try to get rid of firemen until a later date or drop their
attempt to get rid of them at that time. (think they might of been
trying to get rid of firemen on yard engines) this fireman thing went
on for 20 years
when firemen were terminated did not effect passenger firemen,
passenger fireman at that time was considered as a co-engineer, for
saftey. although he did have his boilers and engines to tend to. how
long this practice was continued? today if run is 4 hrs? no asst
engineer is needed?
> Among other things I have been wrong about was my thinking that the
fireman
> and the hotbox would be with us forever.
even though you didn't have a fireman at least back then you could
still drag a blazer out onto the bridge at burlington <grin>
>
> Pete Hedgpeth
>
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