Re: [CBQ] Fw: Railway Preservation News • View topic - Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

["Hol Wagner holpennywagner@msn.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

Richard:

Unfortunately, it's not very close to home.  Mike Pannell in Cheyenne was ready to acquire it, but it would have cost him some $10,000 just to move it by truck from Boulder to Cheyenne.

Hol

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Subject: Re: [CBQ] Fw: Railway Preservation News • View topic - Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

 

 

Thanks, Hol. I have a low resolution scan of a photo in the orange paint. I think I downloaded it from an eBay listing. It's cool to see that it is being preserved.

Richard Townsend

Lincoln City, OR

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Subject: [CBQ] Fw: Railway Preservation News • View topic - Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

 

C&S 543 is a 1906 Pullman product that originally had a wooden underframe and truss rods but was rebuilt in the 192os with a Commonwealth steel underframe and steel end plaforms.  It had been used in company service since the 1940s and thus had been painted orange since about 1949.  Below is its Pullman builder's photo.

Hol

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YeOldeEnjine

 Post subject: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:37 pm 

Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:31 pm
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Friday evening, August 11, 2017 saw Colorado and Southern 543 coach arrive in Cumberland, MD.

After being unloaded from the highway dollies, the car was set on it's trucks and towed to the Western Maryland Scenic Railroad's shop complex in nearby Ridgeley, WV

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YeOldeEnjine

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern 543 Coach has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 9:38 pm 

Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:31 pm
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On it's trucks at Ridgeley, WV

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Jim Vaitkunas

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 10:18 pm 

Joined: Sat Aug 28, 2004 5:52 pm
Posts: 508
Location: Apple Valley, Minnesota

Wow! What a classic car. I love arch window coaches or any wood body passenger car for that matter.

More details on this gem, please:
* Who made it?
* History on the C&S and later, etc.
* Did it originally have 6-wheel trucks?
* Looks like steel fish-belly underframe, so made late in the wood body car era?

Great find.

Thanks!

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Minnesota Streetcar Museum
www.trolleyride.org

   

 

Tails

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:41 am 

Joined: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:14 pm
Posts: 53

It left Colorado months ago, did they take a wrong turn at Albuquerque?

   

 

J3a-614

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 1:10 am 

Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:41 am
Posts: 2903
Location: Inwood, W.Va.

That Western Maryland wooden baggage car at Harpers Ferry would look good with this.

   

 

YeOldeEnjine

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:40 am 

Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:31 pm
Posts: 233

Jim Vaitkunas wrote:

Wow! What a classic car. I love arch window coaches or any wood body passenger car for that matter.

More details on this gem, please:
* Who made it?
* History on the C&S and later, etc.
* Did it originally have 6-wheel trucks?
* Looks like steel fish-belly underframe, so made late in the wood body car era?

Great find.

Thanks!

My understanding the car was built in June of 1906 by Pullman just ahead of an order for similar cars for the Western Maryland Railway.

The WM Rwy cars #710-712 were built in October of 1906. The information I have shows them being built with 4 axle trucks and wood underframes.

My information is limited so any corrections or additions are welcomed.

Tim W.

   

 

Jason Midyette

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 10:31 am 

Joined: Wed Aug 25, 2004 11:06 pm
Posts: 206
Location: Bendena KS

Glad to see that 543 has made it to its new home.

Running from memory;

Built in 1906 as C&S 543. Origianlly wood framed, always on 2 axle trucks

Recieved a steel frame around 1920

Converted to kitchen/diner/bunk car 999092 in the 1940's.

Remained in service on the C&S until around 1970, was then sold to the Forney Museum in Denver Colorado. As a side note, the car was in Denver for the 1965 Platte River flood and sidiment from the flood can still be found packed into various nooks and crannies.

Sold by the Forney Museum to private ownership in 2001' sold to the WM earlier this year

Jason Midyette

   

 

Ted Anderson

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:38 am 

Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:40 pm
Posts: 118
Location: Downers Grove, IL

I can add a bit without checking what we have in the Pullman Library.

C & S Car 543:
Pullman Lot 3367 Plan 2145-A Car Nos 542 - 548 1st class passenger coach.
We do have some detail drawings in file including the side arms for the Hale & Kilburne type 97 seat, car cross section, steps. We would have to check on the floor plan, the engineering report and the drawing list to see if they are in file.

W M cars 708 -712:
Pullman Lot 3364 Plan 2188-A Car Nos 708 - 712. Available drawings include cross section, vestibule finish, platform for wide vestibule, type 6A 4-wh truck drawing, truck wood details, truck wrought iron details.

If there is further interest we can check about availability of drawings at the museum and photos there or elsewhere. Thanks to Bob Webber for use of his car database.

Sincerely, Ted Anderson curator

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Illinois Railway Museum
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YeOldeEnjine

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 12:26 pm 

Joined: Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:31 pm
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Ted Anderson wrote:

I can add a bit without checking what we have in the Pullman Library.

C & S Car 543:
Pullman Lot 3367 Plan 2145-A Car Nos 542 - 548 1st class passenger coach.
We do have some detail drawings in file including the side arms for the Hale & Kilburne type 97 seat, car cross section, steps. We would have to check on the floor plan, the engineering report and the drawing list to see if they are in file.

W M cars 708 -712:
Pullman Lot 3364 Plan 2188-A Car Nos 708 - 712. Available drawings include cross section, vestibule finish, platform for wide vestibule, type 6A 4-wh truck drawing, truck wood details, truck wrought iron details.

If there is further interest we can check about availability of drawings at the museum and photos there or elsewhere. Thanks to Bob Webber for use of his car database.

Sincerely, Ted Anderson curator

Thank You, I'll pass along the information to the WMSR...

   

 

car57

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 3:29 pm 

Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:12 am
Posts: 644
Location: cheyenne

Here she is brand new

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Lincoln Penn

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 5:02 pm 

Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:40 pm
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Wow! Spoked wheels with tires!

   

 

J3a-614

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:20 pm 

Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:41 am
Posts: 2903
Location: Inwood, W.Va.

Lincoln Penn wrote:

Wow! Spoked wheels with tires!

One of the cocooned cars at Strasburg has such wheels under it, and it's a car with six-wheel trucks to boot.

Those trucks, by the way, are the most delicate looking versions of such equipment I've ever seen. They are very light compared to the Pullman six-wheel stuff we see under traditional heavyweight cars.

   

 

wesp

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 8:09 pm 

Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:25 pm
Posts: 1763

The car resembles an interurban in that builders photo.

   

 

car57

 Post subject: Re: Colorado and Southern coach #543 has arrived at the WMSR

Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2017 9:09 pm 

Joined: Sat Jan 31, 2009 4:12 am
Posts: 644
Location: cheyenne

I actually wonder if they are temporary trucks for the photo

   

 

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