Re: [CBQ] 1952 flooding

["Bill Hirt whirt@fastmail.com [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>]

This would have been an interesting move as Q trains always used the west entrance and exit to Kansas City Union Station. I would think they made a station stop there once off the UP to get Lincoln and Omaha passengers off so they could ride one of the KC-Omaha-Lincoln trains to get close to home. It would also be place to change crews. They then could backed the train out of Union Station and then used the wye (which still is there) to swing north on to Q track. According to the Joint CB&Q-Wabash Employee Timetable from February 1 1953 all Q passenger trains ran from Union Station through the Kansas City West Bottoms (still recovering from the July 1951 flood) on joint CB&Q-Wabash trackage from St. Louis Ave through an area what is locally called the "Gooseneck" to cross the Hannibal Bridge through Ustick interlocking to Birmingham where the Q mainline ran up to Liberty Kearney and Cameron.

If it had been 6 months later after the KC Short-cut was open, it would have been possible for a eastbound CZ detour to take the route eastbound Wabash passenger trains took. This was east and then northeast from Union Station on the Kansas City Terminal to the joint Milwaukee/Rock Island Truman Bridge over the Missouri River on the northeast side of Kansas City. There was connection on from the joint MILW-RI trackage to Wabash main. This is east of Birmingham but west of Maxwell where the cut-off joined the Wabash main. This would of required a pilot crew to get to the Wabash main, so I would doubt it was ever used in this way.

Bill Hirt

On 1/27/2017 3:42 PM, Erik Spoonmore spoony81@att.net [CBQ] wrote:

Group,

  I know the Exposition Flyer detoured through Quincy and on to Kansas City in 1944 because of flooding upriver at Burlington (picture of the train at Quincy in the May 2016 Milepost 206 CB&Q calendar) . I would assume the same thing happened in 1952 with the California Zephyr . I'm at work and can't go through my Quincy Route book from last year to see if any visual proof is in it.

  Erik

On Friday, January 27, 2017 3:25 PM, "'Dave Lotz' Dave_Lotz@bellsouth.net [CBQ]" <CBQ@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 



Hi all,

 

I received this email from John Wegner 3 weeks ago and have not been able to answer it.  If anyone on the list has any ideas, I'm sure he would like to hear from you.  When responding, do so to the CBQ group and to him at 47builder@gmail.com.

Dave

 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Wegner [mailto:47builder@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2017 9:08 PM
To: Dave_Lotz@bellsouth.net
Subject: 1952 flooding

Hi Dave,

The book "Kansas Curve" by Robert P. Olmsted has a photo of the eastbound California Zephyr at Lawrence, Kansas while detouring on the Union Pacific during the Iowa/Nebraska flooding of April 1952.  I was wondering what route it took east of Kansas City.  The existing CB&Q KC-Chicago mainline, which at that time would have taken it thru Liberty and Cameron, MO?  Does anyone have any info on this re-route, which supposedly lasted about a week in 1952.  My N scale club meets in a building in Liberty next to what's left of the former Burlington mainline.

John Wegner

Roeland Park, KS

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