... but were they lighter than a Grayback on a cloudy day?
--- In CBQ@yahoogroups.com, Bob Webber <rgz17@...> wrote:
>
> The paint used originally in DENVER & ZEPHYR TOWER (I don't know
> about MISSOURI or ROCKET - would have to look) were originally the
> Pullman light grey scheme - like the ELMs got. Only after 1948 (1954
> in one case) did they get the CB&Q aluminum scheme. In photos (b/w,
> and some color, depending on a lot of factors), the scheme is nearly
> the same - but... if you were to look at the paint itself, the light
> Pullman grey (which is the paint used in the two tone scheme) is
> non-metallic and a deeper hue. The CB&Q paint is meant to serve with
> the Zephyr fleet better. The CB&Q paint is the same as that you'd
> find under most of the Shadowlining schemes.
>
> At 12:01 PM 3/3/2008, Charlie Vlk wrote:
> >Bob-
> >I have never seen a photo of Missouri Tower (the companion car to
> >Denver Tower).
> >I do have pictures of Rocket Tower and of course Zephyr Tower (the
> >RI Car is a little
> >different than the Q...slightly different roof profile).
> >You mention the cars are in different schemes.... are you talking
> >about the location
> >of the "PULLMAN" lettering or something else? I know that the
> >similar betterment
> >cars in the Crest and Range series on the Texas Zephyr were a
> >variation of the scheme
> >on those cars (they had two types/tones of paint applied to
> >different parts of the carbody).
> >Charlie Vlk
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bob Webber
> > To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 8:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CBQ] Light Gray Pullmans
> >
> >
> > ZEPHYR TOWER also showed up on the Exhibition Flyer in the Pullman
> > light grey scheme. DENVER TOWER also was painted in the earlier
> > scheme, and also showed up on the Flyer. At various times, each ran
> > from St. Louis as part of the connection to the Exhibition
> > Flyer. *IF* you find a photo of either of these cars, make certain
> > of the date as the two paint schemes are fairly close - and I know
> > that they are thought to be the same scheme (though they are not) in
> > more than one book/article.
> >
> > And, I don't mean criticism by that. An extraordinary amount of
> > information has been found concerning Pullman operations, painting,
> > rebuilding, and associated subjects in the past few years. The
> > modelers in HO have been a recipient of some of that knowledge
> > through the cars brought out by Branchline and Walthers. The various
> > manufacturers have been using original source material, drawings and
> > the like that simply weren't known prior to the last 4-6 years (or
> > cared about in some circles).
> >
> > At 07:07 AM 3/3/2008, you wrote:
> > > Rupert,
> > > Zephyr Tower was done after acquisition for the Zephyr Rocket
> > >
> > >Lamoyne
> > >(BCR&NRY)
> > >
> > >----- Original Message ----
> > >From: Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
> > >To: CBQ List <CBQ@yahoogroups.com>
> > >Sent: Monday, March 3, 2008 2:07:45 AM
> > >Subject: [CBQ] Light Gray Pullmans
> > >
> > > I'm curious about the use of light gray or
> > > aluminum paint applied to some of the Pullman sleepers that were
> > > purchased from Pullman after 1947, such as Wadena, Lancaster Club
> > > and Happy Hollow Club.
> > >
> > >For example, Zephyr Tower is shown in Mike Spoor's Color Guide with
> > >Pullman letterboards (and therefore still a "Pullman" sleeper) in
> > >1964 but painted light gray or aluminum as were other CB&Q-owned
> > >cars, to simulate (and be used with) the Q's stainless steel
> > >lightweight fleet.
> > >
> > >Was this paint applied whilst the cars were still owned by Pullman
> > >(i.e. pre-1947) or was it applied after their acquisition?
> > >
> > >Whilst on the subject of the ex Pullman cars, was Minnesota Club
> > >purchased by the Q. It appears in Bill Glick's Roster as 678 but it
> > >is missing from the list in Zephyr #22.
> > >
> > >Rupert Gamlen
> > >Auckland NZ
> >
> > Bob Webber
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Bob Webber
>
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