Dark green rings a bell with me too. I know the Q
coach up at IRM has green seats, and I think they are
flip over. The Budd Bi-Levels I think are brown.
--- John Ziola <johnsclubs@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hi Keith,
>
> I reviewed all the valuable replies I got and none
> mentioned the color of the seats,
>
> If memory serves me and it's not that good a
> servant nowadays, the seats were a dark green or
> possibly dark brown.
>
> Must admit, it's just an "educated" recall.
>
> John
>
>
> Keith Erhart <erhart@essex1.com> wrote:
> Hi, John,
> I am building some tan and green suburban passenger
> cars. Did anyone mention the color of the interior
> seats ? Thank you.
> Keith Erhart
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Ziola
> To: CBQ@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 8:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [CBQ] Re: Chicago Union Station
>
> Bill,
>
> I continue to be amazed at the vast amount of
> information the members of the forum have, these
> being a prime example.
>
> You as many others are certainly students of the Q.
> Don't know where you guys get all this valuable
> information. It be of great help.
>
> I too lived along the Q, Brookfield, Downers Grove
> and Clarendon Hills, and did ride a number of steam
> locos (40's and 50's) although at the time I didn't
> know one from the other, but it certainly was a
> thrill I will never forget. Unfortunately I didn't
> become a true fan until recently (retirement). I
> thought I remembered a roundhouse in DG but many
> folks disagreed, glad the memory wasn't playing
> tricks. Remember many times we would watch the
> Zephyr fly by, pre CZ, in the early to late 40's I
> believe, then later the CZ and the others you
> mentioned although I didn't know the difference, Dad
> told me which was which. Wouldn't it be fun to roll
> the clock back.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> John
>
> clipperw@EarthLink.net wrote:
> John,
>
> Here is some more information concerning Union
> Station, and comments
> in the many e-mails of this obviously interesting
> thread.
>
> Prior to 1950, the commuter cars of the Q were
> almost exclusively
> open platform cars on 4 wheel trucks that entered
> service in the
> 1920's. I believe many of these where rebuilt wood
> cars with steel
> underframes. In the 1920's update, they were steel
> sheathed and were
> consider "state of the commuter art". At that time,
> they were pulled
> by K class 10 wheelers and P class atlantics. When
> the hudsons
> arrived in the early '30s, the S1 and S2 road power
> pacifics were
> downgraded to commuter service where they performed
> very well for 20
> more years.
>
> In 1949, the Cal Zephyr entered service pulled by
> the three sets of
> three unit F3's numbered 9960 - 62, painted in the
> passenger paint
> scheme and specially ordered for that service. In
> 1950, the first 30
> stainless steel Budd gallery cars entered service.
> They were now
> "state of the art" and copied in one form or other
> by many other RRs.
> The 30 cars covered maybe half of the service
> requirements. The rest
> of the service, particularly rush hour. was covered
> by the old
> commuter cars now rebuilt with the tan, green and
> gold paint scheme.
> These cars now included air conditioning, new seats
> and closed end
> platforms. The rebuilt single level cars were run in
> conjunction with
> the gallery cars or in full sets of nine cars by
> themselves. (In
> those days, nine cars was the train length limit, I
> believe due to
> station platform length and locomotive horsepower
> required to meet
> the difficult schedule.)
>
> Between, 1950 and Sept. 1952, some trains were
> diesel powered and
> others were steam. Many trains, in those days,
> terminated at Downers
> Grove, 22 miles out of Union Station, where there
> was a steam
> locomotive servicing facility (open air in those
> days providing water
> and a turntable (there was a roundhouse there also
> many years
> before)) and a coach yard. The rest of the trains
> went on to Aurora.
> Steam power was still pacifics supplemented by some
> downgraded
> hudsons. (Four hudsons were fitted with the large
> turbo generators on
> their pilot decks to supply train power. The
> pacifics and predecessor
> steam locomotives also had the large generators in
> commuter service.)
>
> From the arrival of the first gallery car until the
> BN rebuilt the
> E-8/9s with headend power in the '70s, the suburban
> trains required
> external electrical power for lighting and air
> conditioning. To meet
> that need, Q rebuilt a series of heavyweight 6100
> series coaches into
> power cars. Some were all coach while others had a
> small baggage
> section, used to handle baggage and delivery of the
> local Chicago
> newspapers to the suburban towns. In the power
> compartment was a
> diesel engine and generator set which supplied power
> to the train.
> These cars rode on six wheel trucks, were air
> conditioned, had round
> as opposed to clerstory (sp?) roofs, had new sealed
> widows and were
> painted silver. Every train over two cars had one at
> one end or the
> other. It was usually the "smoker" car although, in
> those days, there
> were more "smoking" cars in the train. A few of
> these power cars have
> survived in museums.
>
> Diesels began to enter suburban service in the late
> 1940's. The first
> were displaced shovel nose units from the second
> Twin City Zephyrs
> and the first Denver Zephyr. About the same time,
> E-5s also would
> show up in commuter service. One pulled the first
> complete set of
> gallery cars in Sept. 1950. Then, E-7s started to
> show up. Finally,
> the E-8s and E-9s came along. (The first E-8s were
> delivered in 1950,
> but used mostly in road service.) Later, the E-8s
> and 9s were
> preferred because of their better acceleration due
> to higher
> horsepower needed to meet schedules, particularly on
> the "all stops"
> trains. In the later Q years, E-8s and 9s were the
> only commuter
> power. E-7s were used only on road trains. While Q
> rotated power
> between road trains and commuter trains, a few units
> were often seen
> in commuter; 9938B and 9945A are two that come to my
> mind.
>
> The start of push-pull service in 1965, spelled the
> end for the old
> single level coaches except for the power cars.
> Push-pull service
> required that a 27 point m.u. cable run the entire
> length of the
> train to control the locomotive from the cab car at
> the opposite end.
> As the first cab cars went into service, Q began to
> rebuild and
> update the gallery cars. (Some were already 15 years
> old!) Included
> was the 27 point m.u. circuit. (In the BN era, the
> cars, were all
> rebuilt again to add electric heat, replacing the
> original steam
>
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