It was always my observation Q E's CHI-STP and GN
power west of St. Paul. also Ranch Car, Diner, Great
Dome. Ranch Car was coach lounge and Great Dome was
sleeper(Pullman) lounge, Diner served everybody full
meals. CY
P.S.I got chased out of Great Dome ofton because I was
always a coach passenger .
--- Randal O'Toole <rot@ti.org> wrote:
> >2. GN EB 1967-68 on Q
> > Posted by: "Tom Mack" thommack@yahoo.com
> thommack
> > Date: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:21 am (PDT)
> >
> >Now that Walthers has announced the Empire Builder
> in HO can someone
> >help me out with some typical consist in the
> 1967-68 timeframe please?
>
> Here is a 22-car consist leaving St. Paul westbound
> on July 15 1968
> from John Strauss, "Rocky's Robe of Many Colors":
>
> Two SPD 45s
> RPO-storage mail
> Storage mail
> Storage mail
> Baggage-dorm
> Flat-top coach
> Dome coach
> Dome coach
> Ranch car
> Flat-top day-nite coach
> Flat-top day-nite coach
> Dome coach
> Dome lounge
> Diner
> Pass sleeper
> River sleeper
> Pass sleeper
> Pass sleeper
> CB&Q Silver Basin sleeper
> CB&Q Silver Swan sleeper
> Diner (Lake Pepin, so GN)
> CB&Q Silver Quail sleeper
> CB&Q Silver Tower dome observation
>
> The last five cars were a tour group to Glacier
> Park.
>
> Strauss also gives a typical 1967-1969 summer
> consist (Chicago to
> Seattle unless otherwise noted):
> SPD45, SPD40, or Passenger F locos
> RPO-storage mail St. Paul to Seattle (only to
> Williston in 1968-69)
> Storage mail St. Paul to Spokane
> Storage mail Chicago to Seattle
> Baggage dorm
> 60-seat coach
> Two dome coaches to Seattle
> Ranch
> Day-nite coach St. Paul to Seattle
> Day-nite coach St. Paul to Portland
> Dome coach to Portland
> Dome lounge
> Diner
> 6-5-2 sleeper to Seattle
> 7-6-1 sleeper to Seattle
> 6-5-2 sleeper St. Paul to Seattle
> 6-5-2 sleeper to Portland
>
> For the winter consist, delete the day-nite coaches,
> both 6-5-2
> sleepers to Seattle, and add a 16-4 sleeper Spokane
> to Seattle. Also
> the second Seattle dome coach is listed after the
> Ranch car.
>
> The main way in which these consists differ from
> those prior to 1962
> are the addition of the day-nite coaches and
> deletion of a comparable
> number of sleepers, including the Coulee observation
> car. (In 1962
> they added the day-nite coaches for the Seattle
> World's Fair, and
> deleted the sleepers a year or two later.) Also
> earlier consists were
> in a slightly different order, with some sleepers in
> front of the
> diner and other variations.
>
> Strauss notes that in 1968 the GN started painting
> some cars in what
> would become the BN Cascade Green, with the GN-Goat
> logo looking like
> the Big Sky Blue logo. So you could legitimately mix
> some Cascade
> Green cars into a 1968 consist if you replaced the
> BN logo with a GN
> logo. A few pics of such cars on p. 162 of the book
> indicate that the
> white band sometimes extended to the roof, but at
> least one car (a
> coach) was painted in the hocky-stick style.
>
> >Also, in case you are interested (and the Walthers
> website does not
> >make this clear unless you really hunt), the EB
> cars will also be
> >coming out in GN Big Sky Blue and BN.
>
> Here is a complete list of Walthers' item numbers by
> car type and
> paint (dates of availability may vary slightly for
> some paint jobs):
>
> GN EB Undec GN BSB BN
> SP&S/Q EB Avail
> 60-seat coach 9031 9042 9043 9044
> 9045 8-28-06
> Baggage-mail 9032 9047 9048 9049
> 9-27-06
> 7-4-3-1 River 9033 9054 9055 9056
> 9057 1-27-07
> Ranch 9034 9061 9062 9063
> 9064 10-28-06
> Baggage-dorm 9035 9066 9067 9068
> 11-28-06
> 6-5-2 Pass 9036 9071 9072 9073
> 9074 2-27-07
> Diner 9037 9079 9080 9081
> 9082 12-28-06
> Coulee (obs) 9038 9084 9085 9086
> 9087 3-27-07
> Dome coach 9039 9090 9091 9092
> 9093 4-27-07
> Dome lounge 9040 6520 6521 6522
> 9049 5-27-07
>
> To find any of these on Walthers' web site, enter
> "932-XXXX" in the
> search field, with XXXX being the number above.
>
> For the baggage-mail cars, Walthers has a generic
> car in EB colors
> that should be a close fit. It is item number 6801.
>
> Randal O'Toole
> --
> 1425 Beach Loop Drive
> Bandon, Oregon 97411
> 541-347-1517
> 541-297-6798 cell
> 541-982-2226 voice mail
>
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